Posts to "roadkill" related to !!JAN!! et. al.
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I dont know if this is related or not ...
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From: jamespatton@webtv.net (James Patton)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:36:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RAT SALAD
I smell a big ole RAT in the mix here somwhere! Time to bring in the
cats to clean them out or run them out!
Thank You And Have A Nice Day!
Peace And Goodwill Always!
Jim Patton
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!!JAN!! first appeared on Footstompers and was cross-posted to "roadkill" ...
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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:57:39 EST
Subject: Re: FS- Re: future we had
In a message dated 98-11-16 22:33:27 EST, ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< Mark
Frederick will always be with us musically.
!!JAN!!
>>
And what about Don and Mel? Where will they be? Please let us know!!!!!!!!
MJM
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From: "J.R. Garrett" <rgarrett@metronet.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:32:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FS- How to get the future we want.
On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Jan Harmon wrote:
> Don't waste your time or money fellow. The guys decided to call it quits
> a couple a months ago. Just be thankful they played for us again and
> don't be so pushy and greedy. Let them get on with their lives. Mark
> Frederick will always be with us musically.
Beg to differ, Jan. This weekend we all heard directly that next year is
undecided. I can understand how someone who doesn't know me might get
the impression that my post was 'greedy', but everything I've done since
hooking up with roadkill has been motivated by an intense desire to give
back to the guys, not take from them. Read the Goldmine and Discoveries
interviews again. Watch the Good Morning America and Crook & Chase
segments. Every time the band has made any sort of public statement
about the future, it has been "We're back for good." Until such time as
they may tell us otherwise, I'm going to out here "pushy" to get doors
to open for them, "greedy" to get them the attention and recognition they
deserve.
They've already given me many times over more than I could ever hope to
repay.
No Lies
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From: steltond@dgabby.mfldclin.edu (Dana Stelton)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:06 CST
Subject: ??? JAN
Jan....................that's a good assuption about GFR's future being over. Do
you have hard facts?
Everybody has opinions, but what we need is facts.
Let's not get wacko here. If that's the case then everyone knows I'm a professio
nal at that.
I,m not flaming..............if you have facts, I'll listen
friend of DA Funk
Duckblind...
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From: Mike Adair <mada_dodad@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:45:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re; How to get the future we want
Jan, I'm with you on this one. Besides, has anyone found out what kind
of future MARK DON and MEL *WANT*?????
Mada
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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:05:30 EST
Subject: Re: ??? JAN
In a message dated 98-11-17 13:12:59 EST, steltond@dgabby.mfldclin.edu writes:
<< friend of DA Funk
Duckblind...
>>
Hey, you saw that too, Jan, is this a lurker, or maybe by the tone of the
note,
maybe it is Mark Farner letting us down easy. I still want to know were Don
and Mel
will be? Just the facts !!!!
MJM
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From: gha6001@Mindspring.com (George H. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:16:52 -0500
Subject: Re: FS- Re: How to get the future we want.
Jan!!!
In my humble opinion the VH-1 Special will have alot to do with
the future of GFR. It would only take one VIP from one record
company to see the VH-1 Special, and BAM!!! a new record deal is
struck. The rest is history as they say.
Big BUns Anderson
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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:35:28 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .
In a message dated 11/30/98 10:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< Everyone had their chances to get in on this . Those that didnt will
just have to do without. To let people in on the deal now is a slap in
the face to those members that put their trust in you up front when you
asked for help. These other people are freeloaders.
Probably the kind of people that write inflammatory letters to magazines
after pretending to be someones friend to their face.
Someone wrote a disco song about that called BACKSTABBERS. Was it Kool
and the Gang?
SOME OF US ARE JUST NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
CONTRIBUTE.....some of us can barely afford to buy what we
need.....freeloaders my ass!!!!!!!
hEARTBREAKER
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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:48:31 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .
In a message dated 11/30/98 1:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< Not a very convincing sob story. Especially since you have a computer
and pay a monthly ISP charge to get on here and complain about not
having money. If you don't have ten dollars to spare then you shouldn't
be on the Internet wasting money. The truth is that now that you see
something has come of this project you want in at the last minute. Where
were you when they asked for support when they needed it? Now you are
simply creating more work for someone so you can have yours.
!!JAN!! >>
This is my dad's machine, I don't even own a car or anything else for that
matter. I am under medical care and am very ill.... Not that it is any of
your business... I don't think that any one on this list should be considered
a freeloader. We are supposed to be friends.
No one should be putting anyone down. Besides I am not asking to be a part of
this project, I never did I just answered someone's uncalled for attack on us
all. I originally was going to contribute but due to things not in my control
can't. Sorry that does not meet with your approval. I have done other things
to help.
Linda (Heartbreaker)
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From: gha6001@Mindspring.com (George H. Anderson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:44:16 -0500
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .
Jan!!!
I normally do not get pissed about anything on this list but, I
am now. First, move on to another subject matter. Who are you
to judge, especially Linda, whom you do not even know anything
about. GFR is the subject, and not personal attacks on Linda's
financial situation. So, LAY OFF!!!. Linda will receive a copy of
the tape from me, because she is a Roadkiller with a heart of
gold, and I take care of those Roadkiller's who in my time of
need have been there for me. We are all brother's and sister's
on this list, and should be treated as such.
George
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From: DOdell4280@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:41:19 EST
Subject: ratrape issue
the only offical word on this from the hfs is that ....we wish you were a
donator cause id mail your money back because we dont need this bull....my
personal oponionis i think you should apologise to all and with an HONEST
apoligy and i think we could overlook this incident
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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:36:03 -0600
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .
><< Not a very convincing sob story. Especially since you have a computer
> and pay a monthly ISP charge to get on here and complain about not
.....................
> were you when they asked for support when they needed it? Now you are
> simply creating more work for someone so you can have yours.
>
> !!JAN!! >>
I have questions. Who is this !!JAN!! ? Why do I only see this name being
quoted in replies and not in original posts? Is this someone in
Footstompers? And last but certainly not least, why is it that every time I
see a quote from her, she's complaining about something in a rude and
obnoxious way? Come on !!JAN!!, we believe in being civil around here.
Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot
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From: Shock3082@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:37:39 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .
In a message dated 11/30/98 4:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gha6001@Mindspring.com writes:
<< I normally do not get pissed about anything on this list but, I
am now. First, move on to another subject matter. Who are you
to judge, especially Linda, whom you do not even know anything
about. GFR is the subject, and not personal attacks on Linda's
financial situation. So, LAY OFF!!!. Linda will receive a copy of
the tape from me, because she is a Roadkiller with a heart of
gold, and I take care of those Roadkiller's who in my time of
need have been there for me. We are all brother's and sister's
on this list, and should be treated as such.
George
>>
Come on George, now you know it dont take too much to set you off. :):):)
And, I'm with you on this one. I spoke many times with Linda online before I
met her in Atlantic City in April. When I finally did meet her she was a
sweetheart and in talking with her, I know she would have loved to have
traveled the country like I did this year, but her funds would not allow her
to. Whoever this JAN is, well, she's acting more like JAN BRADY and unlike JAN
A GRAND FUNK RAILROAD FAN. Ease up Jan.
Shock
Delaware's #1 Grand Funk Railroad Fan
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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:30:05 EST
Subject: Who is this person....
In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>
WOW.... just who is this person anyway???
Heartbreaker (Linda)
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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:21:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Who is this person....
Think people, think. Someone must have an idea who this bitter person is.
Look, I didn't even get to go to a show and neither did many other
Roadkillers and we are not acting like this. Look what happened to Swedish
Roadkillers. Did they cry and whine and moan. No! Damn it, they made the
best of it. And if some people who are friends of the band got to meet with
the band while other fans didn't, well so be it. THE BAND DECIDES WHO THEY
MEET AND WHEN!!!!! AND THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS!!!!! Certain people screwed
that PRIVILEGE up!
Many fans, who are not on Roadkill did and didn't get to meet and greet with
the band so I guess if all roadkillers got to do it all the time, that could
be considered unfair to the fan on the street?
PEGASUSLIN@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
> Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
> the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
> screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
> THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>
>
> WOW.... just who is this person anyway???
>
> Heartbreaker (Linda)
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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:56:59 EST
Subject: Re: FS- Re: ratrape issue
In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year.
!!JAN!!
>>
Wow, you were at every show, dang, what a treat! You must really know
the songs by now. And from what I recall from a letter of yours a month or so
ago,
now correct me if I am wrong, did you not call Mr Mark Farner by a middle
name also. I was surprised anyone remembered that name.
And what are you refering to about Stan and Tia, did people miss out on a
post show meet. I didnt miss my two, come to think of it were you in
Orlando and Clearwater? We might have meet. And do you think any of the band
is upset with Stan and Tia for all of the antics you say they pulled? And
what article in the mag. my issue did not say any names. Please fill me in,
I only get bits and pieces I work
2 jobs so to keep my habit going,,,,, the addiction to GFR. They are the
reason I bought this computer.
Thanks for your help,
God Bless
Mean Jeanne Mistreater
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From: Leo4given@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:52:04 EST
Subject: RE: HFS tapes/t-shirts
Hey gang,
I don't appreciate being called a "freeloader" & "backstabber" just because I
was one of the idiots who contacted Don and asked for more details about the
tapes and t-shirts. I've been on the list for almost a year and love all the
great stuff we do as a community working together for the sake of GFR. But
somehow I honestly missed all the pleas to join in and help etc. I agree that
Don should go through with the first generation of people who were in on the
original contributions so he doesn't have to recreate the wheel for myself and
others like me who would like to be included after the fact. Even if we had to
pay a little more or whatever rules the person who posted this mean spirited
reply might feel was right for us lowly morons. Man!!! Whatever happened to
love and kindness dude? What if you were a new person to this list.... would
you want to be a part of that kind of name-calling bunch?
Gary "He's Your Captain" Leonard
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In a message dated 11/30/98 10:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
<< Everyone had their chances to get in on this . Those that didnt will
just have to do without. To let people in on the deal now is a slap in
the face to those members that put their trust in you up front when you
asked for help. These other people are freeloaders.
Probably the kind of people that write inflammatory letters to magazines
after pretending to be someones friend to their face.
Someone wrote a disco song about that called BACKSTABBERS. Was it Kool
and the Gang?
SOME OF US ARE JUST NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
CONTRIBUTE.....some of us can barely afford to buy what we
need.....freeloaders my ass!!!!!!!
hEARTBREAKER >>
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From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:58 EST
Subject: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....ya'll KNOW who this person
is..read what he types and think....give ya a hint...awhile back he had
different internet names.....Hmmmmm and one name was.........got it now?
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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:31:50 EST
Subject: ratrape(mix) Terraap...Terrance Knaap.aka Terry Knight
In a message dated 12/1/98 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, TEXs308@aol.com
writes:
<< bj: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
Date: 12/1/98 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: TEXs308@aol.com
Sender: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com
Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:TEXs308@aol.com">TEXs308@aol.com</A>
To: Shock3082@aol.com, ratrape@hotmail.com, paces@widomaker.com, Grand-
funk@roadkill.com
Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....ya'll KNOW who this person
is..read what he types and think....give ya a hint...awhile back he had
different internet names.....Hmmmmm and one name was.........got it now?
>>
Check this out ratrape(mix this around) terraap...a.k.a.Terrance Knaap or
YTerry Knight. Does this guy think we are stupid??? Rick
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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:20:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
Shock3082@aol.com wrote:
> ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Maybe this "RAT"rape is one of those people
> who push their way around to try and get what's good only for them. Yeah,
> that's the ticket, a trouble maker.>> Also the kind of person who gets people
to
> start pushing and shoving at a concert door to try to get in before anyone els
e
> even if it means some people get trampled.
>
> Stan & Tia are fine people who care about what is good for the fans and the
> band.
>
> Shock
> Delaware's #1 Stan & Tia Fan
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From: jmaijala1@juno.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:33:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Who is this person....
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:30:05 EST PEGASUSLIN@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the
>Grand
> Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers
>and
> the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
> screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
>
> THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>
>
>WOW.... just who is this person anyway???
>
>Heartbreaker (Linda)
>
OH BOY!!!!!!
Here we go again . . . . now, where did I put my asbestos suit. I know
it will give me cancer, but at least I won't burn right now from all the
flame mail!! (sniff, sniff) do I detect the fragrant aroma of premium
racing fuel?? Anybody got a match?? Here, let me light that cigarette
for you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
life is great!!
Jim's a good mans brother
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From: rjturner@optidynamic.com (Ron Turner)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:01:37 -0500
Subject: Re: FS- re:fs:re:ratrape issue
> give it up. these folks are blind with being a fan. they think everything
grand funk is good. they think mel sings. <
Mel did sing, or have you never see the GFR live at the L.A. Forum video?
No use telling you that since you deleted this, speaking of closed minds.
ron time turner
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From: SHOOT400MC@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:54 EST
Subject: Re: FS- re:fs:re:ratrape issue
In a message dated 12/1/98 11:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
blacklick@thedoghousemail.com writes:
<< just delete the rest and you won't miss a thing. rod >>
Not you again?!?!
Gary Eaton/..
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From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 15:14:48 PST
Subject: Re: Grand-funk-digest V2 #757
Steve,Donna, could you two update Roadkill on how things are going on the
Anthology? Such as Have they started on it,When do they expect a release,what
is the holdup!
Unikely to happen since they are not speaking to each other. Donna is upset beca
use Farner does not want her working on the web site.
Big John
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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:24:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Who is this person....
This person is someone who is pushing all the right buttons and getting a
lot of attention from us, so I am going to start with the delete button.
Bye Bye Jan. Peace
Spook$
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From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:28:51 EST
Subject: Fwd: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
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Arrrrrrrrgghhhh i got pissed when i got this private e-mail....like i was
sayin earlier...ya'll KNOW who this is..i can't beleive hes up to his same ole
bullsh*T...WELL ANYWAY DONT ANYBODY..take this serious i just thought maybe
ya'll wanted to read it.....aint it ashame theres always a ^((^head that tries
to ruin it for all havin the time of their life!!
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From: "Jan Harmon" <ratrape@hotmail.com>
To: Shock3082@aol.com, paces@widomaker.com, Grand-funk@roadkill.com,
TEXs308@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
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>Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....
Yes my friend that is good advice. think not with your hearts but with
your head. What do any of the internet fan club members really know
about each other as citizens? You see each other at the concerts in all
of your GFR glory. But what do you really know about each other? I have
received much email telling me that you are a family and brothers and
the like. I received more email from citizens telling me that they are
more realistic about this club. That they know people are people many
good and many not so good. And many of them have told me about Stan and
Tia Pace. Also about Steve Lisuk and Donna Whiteman. I have learned much
about these people from YOU! I have also been told about people named
Parrett, Funkola, Claiborne, Drotten and many more. As I said I have
been to all of the shows. Well not exactly. I did miss a couple of them
last year. And I never said I was a fan.
It amazes me how many of you have no idea how the after show signings
work. And that you think the band thinks so highly of all of you. You
are just fans. And they appreciate that. But you are nothing more to
them. That is not an attack. Just the way entertainers are with their
fans. They allowed you in close because this was their last hurrah. But
it doesn't mean they want to socialize with you. Or that they sit at
home and think about you.
But that is not the issue. The issue is the backstabbers. People who
smile to your face and manipulate you behind your back. People who have
an agenda. People who lie. People who turn against you when they don't
get what they want. Backstabbers. Ask Steve about the backstabbers. Ask
Claiborne. Ask the GRand Funk entourage what they think of Sunny's book.
Think really hard.
!!JAN!!
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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:16:03 EST
Subject: Bravo! Jan! Reality Check well overdue!!!
Terry Knight, Jan whoever you are it's time someone gave a reality check here
its well overdue!!!! Withdrawl Party in Dover Deleware????????Someone needs a
head count??????As the group Anthrax once said"Headcheck"
Rick
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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:49:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: "Ratrape" issue
Hi all,
Just for the record, this "ratrape" "person" is not subscribed
to the "roadkill" grand-funk list. Evidently, they are sub-
scribed to Footstompers.
The messages that you are seeing concerning this "issue" are
coming from "roadkill" subscribers who are also on Footstompers.
These folks are posting their replies on this "issue" to Foot-
stompers and cross-posting them to the "roadkill" list as well.
I would like to see this "discussion" stop on "roadkill."
For those of you participating in this flame war on Footstom-
pers, I would like to request that you STOP cross-posting your
replies to "roadkill." In fact, I would personally like to see
ALL cross-posting stop unless it is specifically related to Grand
ALL cross-posting stop unless it is specifically related to Grand
Funk and their music.
Thank you for your attention and consideration. Take care,
keep Shinin' On, and grok in fullness ...
Bill--
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From: WHIRLEGREG@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:29:03 EST
Subject: Re: grand-funk-digest V2 #762
bill
fyi neither ratrape or jan are subscribed to footstompers! so i thought the
same as you that it was a cross posting glitch? now im not sure??
take care
g
<< Just for the record, this "ratrape" "person" is not subscribed
to the "roadkill" grand-funk list. Evidently, they are sub-
scribed to Footstompers. >>
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From: John White <jdwhite@clarksdale.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:31:26 -0600
Subject: Re: FS- Re: Bravo! Jan! Reality Check well overdue!!!
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Just Questions Jan.
I am not Terry Knight. We did not even know anything about him until the
VH-ONE staff found him.---We who ???
Your(RK) picture was taken down when we realized it was a
mostly just an overblown situation.-----Down from where?
It is a huge drag to see the backstabbers blow so much smoke up all of
the fans behinds.-----And what form would this SMOKE be in???
As for the rest of it, slander,name calling ! Not one FACT in the whole
lot.
You really expect to come onlist with this crap,(but won't say what
your connection(if any)
to the band or crew is, and Make statements for Don and Mel as though
they are fact) and have us think
you are helping us. HA!!!HA!!
But best of all you want RK to be your mouthpiece!??? ROFLAO!!!!
Personaly Jan I don't give a flying F#$K if everyone you've mentioned
thus far is a selfish backstabbing whatever!! I got to see GFR play
again this year six times, meet Mark twice, Mel once,and Don and Sunny
numerous times. The meet & Greets were icing, not the main point!!!
Why not just state who you are and how you fit in!!!!????
Secrecy just breeds contemp!!
John White
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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:41:14 -0600
Subject: Footstompers
I can't figure out why Funkola doesn't give this Jan, the boot. Some of
us got run off for much less. Peace
Spook
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This is the first posting to "roadkill" by !!JAN!!
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From: "Jan Harmon" <ratrape@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:19:49 PST
Subject: The truth about betrayal
!!Good Morning Vietnam!!
Let us smoke those tunnel rats out and rape them.
Have I got some news for you? Of course, many of you good people
maintain closed minds and are blinded to all things real.
If that previous sentence rubbed you the wrong way my children, then you
have just identified yourself as being one of them.
Where did I get this news? Much of it came from emails and phone calls I
have shared with some of you over the past several days. The same 2 to 3
names kept popping up in these wonderful conversations. Thanks to all of
you for being so open and sharing. It was a great pleasure to see that
so many of you good people are disgruntled with the present chain of
power within The Grand Funk Railroad Fan Club. You exhibit many of the
same youthful qualities that our mentors Mark, Don and Mel did when they
spoke out against the war, big brother and pollution.
Have you ever heard of Steven Lisuk? Of course you have, if you have
been around more than a few weeks. He is the exuberantly stoic fellow
who has provided all of us with so much information about Grand Funk
Railroad's doings the past many months. He has been our friend and has
treated all of us with professionalism and respect.
He and Donna Wightman worked on the official GFR site together. He
provided most of the info and she made it pretty. When it came time to
develop Mark Farner's solo site she felt slighted. Farner trusted Steven
and felt comfortable with him. Donna began feeling like a fifth wheel.
Her friendship with Sunny was not paying off like she had dreamed. So
she began to blame Steven. It was now Steven's fault that Donna was not
the first to get the hot off of the press info. It was Steven's fault
that Farner wanted him to work on his solo site. Donna never realized
that the reason she was being slighted was because she could not be
depended on. Not that she wasn't willing. She just had a little trouble
with the responsibility that came along with the position. In a
nutshell, she liked to talk too much. Not to everybody, but to her
trusted friends. At least that is what she thought. The fact that I know
this info shows her friends could not be trusted. Read the previous
sentence please. Stanly Pace was the worst of the crowd. He repeated
everything with boyish vigor. All too eager to impress upon his fellow
citizens what he knew. "Look at me, I know the band!" He would exclaim.
He is the one who told me about Steven and Donna's falling out.
Discontent within the GFR Fan Club. What shall we ever do?
But Stanly was not the only one who had loose lips. A certain Texican
named 'No Lies' wiggles his lips up and down much too frequently also. I
got second hand verification of Stanly's saga from him. Golly gee Donna.
Who are going tell next? And you are worried about Steven telling people
and making you look bad? You seem to be doing okay on your own
girlfriend. Below is one of her friend's emails to me. Notice how
hysterical she is. It is the same quality that caused Donna to tell her
version of the story to so many people. Also notice the off hand insult
to Steven, verifying yet again what Donna really thinks of him. After
all, Francois could only have gotten this impression from her fellow
citizen Donna.
>From grandfunkette@yahoo.com Fri Dec 4 07:22:31 1998
>Message-ID: <19981204152552.2061.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
>Received: from [171.133.216.5] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Dec
1998 07:25:52 PST
>Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:25:52 -0800 (PST)
>From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
>To: ratrape@hotmail.com
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>ratrape@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>>What do any of the internet fan club members really know about each
>other as citizens?<<
>
>A heck of a lot more than you seem to know about us. Many of us have
>become life long friends. Just because some of us *met* via the GFR
>fanclub, doesn't mean we don't have more in common. I've developed
>many wonderful friends on this list.
>
>>>I received more email from citizens...many of them have told me
>about Stan and Tia Pace. Also about Steve Lisuk and Donna Whiteman.<<
>
>Watch it, bimbo, those are fightin' words! You obviously don't know
>what you're talking about. Donna Wightman has been my best friend for
>10 years. You don't have a clue about her. She's the kindest, most
>gentle-spirited woman I've ever known. As are Stan and Tina Pace very
>generous-hearted people. [I'll give you Lisuk, though.] But listen,
>you really need to reconsider your position here. You're not making
>too many friends.
>
>>>I have been to all of the shows...well not exactly<<
>
>Oh really? Then why don't we know who you are? Why don't you reveal
>your identity? How can you *possibly* expect anyone to believe a word
>you say when you're such a coward? NO CREDIBILITY WITHOUT IDENTITY!!!
>
>>>you think the band thinks so highly of all of you...you are nothing
>more to them...it doesn't mean they want to socialize with you. Or
>that they sit at
>home and think about you.<<
>
>You're a flippin' butthead, you know that? Why would you want to be
>so intentionally hurtful? And YOU'VE got a lot of nerve pointing
>fingers about people being phony...you won't even reveal yourself!
>
>>>Ask Steve about the backstabbers. Ask Claiborne. Ask the Grand Funk
>entourage what they think of Sunny's
>book.<<
>
>Okay...who should I say sent me, !!JAN!, the self-appointed Keeper of
>Roadkill Reality? Why don't you take your ugliness somewhere else.
>You're not welcome here.
>
>Look@FranneRunRun
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Her references to "Who am I " are so silly. I am Jan Harmon. I have
never hid that from any of my mails. This is yet another example of the
idiotic arrogance that some of the club members display. You never heard
of me so I can't possibly be who I say I am? You mean you know all of
the citizens associated with Grand Funk and all of the various friends?
I am very impressed! Surprise Francois! Like you I have developed some
friends within the Internet fan club myself. And they don't seem to
think much of you and your elite friends who look down on others at the
shows. But you have lost that opportunity because there will be no more
shows. Alas, the music has ended. But only for a fleeting moment as Mark
Frederick tunes his guitar and prepares to rock.
What will you do Donna now that you no longer have an 'in' with the band
through Sunny? Since there will be no band and Farner hath forsaken you.
What will you do Stanly now that your friends know your lips are loose
and that your integrity is questionable?
I ask you fellow fan reading this email. If you received some timely
info from Mel or Mark would you tell Stanly in hopes that he would keep
it to himself? Would you befriend Sunny in hopes of it leading to
something more? Other, less patriotic ones, have done these things.
No doubt some of you will come online and vent your childish anger
towards poor !!JAN!!, the lowly messenger. But others will read these
words of truth and reevaluate their view of some of their "brothers and
sisters."
But don't be too hasty my dear comrades. Much more is to come.
!!JAN!!
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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:33:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Hi all,
Sorry about this getting through. I've unsubscribed him and
will look into ways of blocking his posts.
Bill.
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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:36:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Hi all,
Since this "Jan/ratrape" person wants to talk about the
"truth," I thought I should bring one of his *lies* to your at-
tention.
In that last e-mail, he claims to be who he says he is: Jan
Harmon. But, if you look through his mail headers closely, and
do a little research as some of us have done, you will find out
that he is using hotmail -- a free e-mail service that requires
no authentication to use, just a Web browser. And, he is not
sending his mail directly from his Internet service provider ac-
count because that would tell us exactly where he is and allow
us to identify him very quickly.
Instead, the truth is that "Jan/ratrape" is using a proxy ser-
vice that allows him to use a Web browser (and, by association)
to send mail anonymously. You may have heard some of us talk
about "cookies" in the recent voting discussion. A cookie allows
the server to query your computer to find out who you are. This
service that "Jan/ratrape" is using doesn't allow the cookies (or
other identifying techniques) to be used thus allowing you to
surf (and send mail from hotmail) anonymously. The whole purpose
of this service (http://lpwa.com:8000/) is to allow people to
surf the Web without having to worry about anyone knowing that
you've been to their site.
So, you can see, the truth that "Jan/ratrape" wants you to see
is his version of the truth because he doesn't want anybody to
know who he really is. He hides behind his "wall" with the sole
purpose of causing bickering and dissension among all of us here
on the mailing list. It has come to my attention that one or
more of you out there among the subscribers to "roadkill" know
who this "person" really is. To those of you who do I can only
suggest that as long as we allow him to stay in the shadows like
he does, the more he will taunt and bully us into more arguing
and bickering to the point that we will not know who to trust. I
can promise you that once his real identity is brought out into
the light of day, we will have no more problems from him.
Until we know who this hate-monger really is, I would like to
suggest that you not reply to his e-mail or include his address
in any reply to anybody else.
Again, I apologize for this intrusion and hope that we can get
through this and get it over with quickly.
Bill Parrette.
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From: youngbloods <youngbloods@windsong.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:39:20 +0000
Subject: Bill's reply
Hi Roadkillers,
I'm in complete agreement with Bill on this "Jan" thing. We have
only been on the list for a few weeks but I've read more crap than I
care to. It's like being back in Jr. High or watching a soap opera, for
heaven sake! No one that my husband and I have meet at any of the 4
concerts we were able to make this year have been or even seem to be as#
holes. Even though we had just meet, everyone was very nice to us. We
were so excited to just get away from our home and do something
together, that going to see GFR was like icing on a cake! Even if we
had never got to meet them (Mark, Don, and Mel) we were completely
satisfied. To me, meeting them was like wining the lottery!! I don't
know who this "Jan" person is and frankly I don't give a d#*#. Sounds
like a Jealous, disgruntled, ex-employee! Look out, he/she may go
postal! Well I'm going to shut up now, don't want to feed that fire.
It's beneth me! Let's all have a great and Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year!! Hey, and kept those votes a coming!! I some how got to
vote 2 times today!
Gina
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From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:38:51 -0700
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Sorry Bill,
But i disagree this is an open forum.... I think you should let it
ride and let those who read decide... sounds like a statement about motor
cycle helmets doesn;t it.... let those who ride decide.... just personal
opinion... we all need to take the good with the bad.. and alas... the
truth is not ALL people are above the table on there dealings.... so
like i say let those who read decide....... thats all.... great job you
have done... we met in sioux city... Merry Christmas to you and your
family this fine holiday season....
Pat
William A. Parrette wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry about this getting through. I've unsubscribed him and
> will look into ways of blocking his posts.
>
> Bill.
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From: ZiggZagg00@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:47:50 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
I agree with pat...let it ride! I don't know if this stuff that Jan is
talking about
is true or not.....This is all about GFRR!!! Hell, were all tough, I don't
think
anyone is sleeping on eggshells on this list.
Jim W
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From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" <energy@icanect.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:22:34 -0500
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Bill,
I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages - it would
be UNAMERICAN.
If what this person writes is not true then why should we have any fear!
Al "Got This Fish On The Move"
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From: cjls@webtv.net (Celinda Shafer)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Bill is trying
Hi Everyone,
I think what Bill is saying is if this person will not say who they are,
except the name Jan and where the info is coming from it is just
causing the list trouble. Most of us know a bit about each other and I
am not ashamed to say I live in Elkhart Indiana and some of you have my
phone number. Thats because I am not saying things from a email address
that you can not tell who I am. I have met Donna and Steve and Stan and
Tia, plus many other fine people on this list.
I was subjected to some of this same nasty stuff after St. Joe show. No
matter what list we send to Stan, it still goes to Mr. Kuch and Sunny
and they decide who will meet and who will not meet the band.
So getting mad at Stan or Donna or anyone else like the preshow
coordinator is just not going to get you anywhere. The final choice is
MR KUCH. So if you want to talk about these fine people who have gave
their time for those of us who are not working for the band, maybe next
year they wil not even help us at all. I for one
am proud to have met DONNA and Steve and Bill and Stan and everyone
else who has been there helping us with our get togethers for the GFR
shows.
Celinda Shafer
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From: "Ted D. Scurlock" <scurlock@cig.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:05:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Bill is trying
HERE!! HERE!! Well said, true, and to the point!! I met these fine
folks at St. Joe myself. I was new to the list, but I was treated as an
old friend. The work that all of them have put in have made our GFR
experience just that much more satisfying.
Stop the bashing, enjoy what you have, and savor the moment.
No, I didn't get to meet the guys at either of the shows I attended, and
truly didn't expect to. However, Sunny did go out of here way to get a
picture signed, and then had to find me in the crowd to deliver it.
Donna, Steve, Stan, and Tia have done an excellent job and not to leave
out Bill P. who has given us this list. Keep up the fantastic work, and
don't let childish opinions affect you.
Ted D. Scurlock
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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:18:50 -0600
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Normally, I would say let people speak and delete it if you disagree but in
this case it is obviously meant for malicious purposes only. This person is
not "speaking their mind" but only trying to create chaos. I'll have to go
with Bill on this one. Block him!
Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot
> I agree with pat...let it ride! I don't know if this stuff that Jan is
>talking about
>is true or not.....This is all about GFRR!!! Hell, were all tough, I don't
>think
>anyone is sleeping on eggshells on this list.
>
> Jim W
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From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:24:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
> I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages -
it would
> be UNAMERICAN.
I am new and a lurker by heart. I regret my first mail is not about
Grand Funk.
For many years I worked in the records dept. of the ACLU before I
retired. From my experience it bothers me when someone tries to stop
the flow of information. It gives me cause for suspicion. Frequently,
with enough time, a hidden agenda is revealed.
I say let all speak their piece.
For me to remain silent on this issue would have been a disservice to
my entire career.
My apologies,
Ben
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From: "Ralph J Landry" <landry@clarksdale.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:59:22 -0600
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal
This saddens me for a number of reasons. While I do agree this is an open
forum there is a reason for this forum existing and that is GFR. We are all
different people, come from different backgrounds and have different
opinions, AS IT SHOULD BE. If someone has a problem with actions another on
this list has taken it should be handled via private email. If the
situation is serious enough and it should be brought to the attention of the
whole list then fine, post to the whole list. What should be posted should
explain to everyone here what the situation is. This should be done with
facts and with facts people can make an informed descision. PERSONAL
ATTACKS ARE NOT WELCOME. This is supposed to be a cicilized society in
which we live. We are not a bunch of politicians. Once this becomes
nothing more than name calling the intellect goes and emotions run high. So
whoever you are, if you have a real complaint tells us the specifics and
then we will be able to make up our own minds. If not, then you cannot
expect RK as a group to take you seriously.
>Ralph (Save the Land)ry
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From: "Jan Harmon" <ratrape@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:47:13 PST
Subject: Please Don't Worry!
Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts. Still
using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those who
seek the truth.
I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who are
you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been told it
has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
action. Why doust thou try now?
!!JAN!!
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From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:42:10 EST
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal
Ok.....<putting on Phychiatrist hat>....This "Jan" person is one insane
person, now he's starting to cut down others, trying to divide list <aint
gonna happen> the way i see it is he wants or wanted to be involved with GFR
big time, but never could really get going..first of all look at what he
writes ANYBODY thats been close to the band he slams! he claims he's been to
almost every show gfr put on..(NOT)....thats his way of makin us think he's in
with the band in some way...he's in deguise (spell check)...he has aol so why
not use AOL's e-mail service..because he knows we'll find his true idenity!!
the guy is a wanta be....in texas slang (a sorry ass looser). hes the type
that once he's been done wrong, he'll do anything to hurt the ones he thinks
has a close relationship with Grand Funk. and Jan i know your readin this but
you got to understand Donna's site was choosin to be the Official GRAND FUNK
RAILROAD site..(nan nan nanana na). So live with it or find another list to
bother. This is suppose to be a place to talk about America's favorite band,
not list to condem others for the great things YOU wish you coulda done and
got a "thata boy" from Mark, Don & Mel. one more thing i could tell you more
on the phone if ya wanta talk about it??? but then again i guess if you did
let anyone call you they'd know who you really was. Last thing this is to the
true GFR fans...have ya'll voted for mark today!!
<A HREF="http://www.iguitar.com/Surveys/details.asp">Vintage Guitar iGuitar
Mall - Survey</A> :))
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From: "Oktay Rasizade" <rasizade@cntc.dubna.su>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:44:06 +0300
Subject: Soap Opera (was The truth about betrayal)
Santa Barbara. The quiet beautiful place in California. Who could imagine
that such a terrible things and passions are possible in this paradise. Is
it really possible ? Not of course, because it is nothing else than soap
opera. It all were invented by scriptwriters to make the serial interesting
to watch year after year.
I'm sure that many of us read all this balderdash written by so called
!!JAN!! with great interest, with more interest than other posts. Why ?
Because other posts are so ordinary, usual prosaic matters of supporting
Grand Funk, friendship and so on. Can you make the blockbuster from such
matters ? Not of course. But take bloody aliens invading to destroy the
earth. Or take usual human misunderstanding or feelings, multiply it by 10,
add couple of murders, dozen betrayal and very unhappy love, car crash and
loss of memory, lost children and parents. Don't forget some hatred, some
destruction also is good. Well, mix it, add well known names (it makes it
even more interesting ). Then you get the soap opera, thing that some
Roadkillers like to be continued. Because it is so breath-taking. And it is
not about you, why to worry ? It is just soap opera. Though about real
persons.
From Russia with Grand Funk >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/
We salute you ! >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/oktay/
"Mark said" Oktay Rasizade and his funkcat Mr."Black Licorice" Murzik.
Dubna ( you can visit our town www.dubna.ru/eng/Dubna ) , Russia.
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From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 12:11:38 PST
Subject: Jans story
Like it or not there is something to what Jan is saying. Here are two emails I g
ot from Donna Wightman which somewhat collaborate Jan's story.
Keep in mind she told me this stuff without ever having spoken to me before. Muc
h less ever having met me. But she spilled her guts on the whole thing. So just
how many people is she bad-mouthing Steve too?
And she contradicts herself within her own email. Not to mention claiming she ne
ver even wanted to work on Farner's solo site. Puuhhhleeeeseee!!
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>Message-ID: <004001be1e2b$4eeaf2c0$ad59ffd0@donnadw>
>From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
>To: <suntzu@joymail.com>
>Subject: Who are you?
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:38:12 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
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>
>I would like to know how you knew that Steve and I had a falling out? This
>is not common knowledge, and I did not want it posted publically because I
>felt this could divide Roadkill.
>
>Also, I would like to know who told you that this falling out was over Mark
>not wanting me to work on his site. This part is a lie and I feel I have the
>right to know who is spreading untrue rumors about me.
>
>I was asked by Steve Lisuk to create Mark's web site for him. I even started
>a demo at www.meclec.com/mark I found out soon after I started this project
>that Steve was being dishonest with me, and so I told him that I could no
>longer work with him. I don't think Mark even knew that Steve asked me to
>work on the site. Steve never allowed me to have any direct contact with
>Mark. All communications had to go through him, even the fan mail. I didn't
>even want to work on the site in the first place, Steve talked me into it.
>
>
>
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Get your FREE email at http://www.joymail.com
>Message-ID: <002701be1e58$49d7fe40$25332599@donnadw>
>From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
>To: <suntzu@joymail.com>
>Subject: Re: Who are you?
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:00:11 -0800
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>
>>I will not tell you who since I do not betray people who put their trust in
>me.
>
>
>Thank you for replying. I would never expect you to be disloyal to a friend.
>
>>Anyway I did not even bring it up and I did not flame anyone. I have never
>even met >any of you. But I exchange private email with many old timers on
>roadkill. It just struck >me as funny knowing what I know and I responded to
>a question. All of the posturing >and positioning on roadkill is ridiculous.
>
>
>I agree and have done my best to stay away from the competitions for status.
>I have been fortunate in that Don and Sunny took me under their wing (so to
>speak) and I was given some recognition by them. I am a very private person
>(hence my being a computer programmer) and have always been uncomfortable in
>the spotlight. I have always looked at my position with the band as a
>responsibility instead of some sort of glory that some people think it is.
>After show meet and greets were a nightmare for me because I knew that the
>responsibility of having to choose who can go in and who stays out may be
>put on my shouldars, and it did several times. I always thought I tried to
>be fair, but I know some people didn't think I was, especially those who I
>may have left out.
>
>>Maybe you should tell people your side, they have a right to know. Saying
>Steve was >dishonest with you isn't providing anymore info than that Jan guy
>making his claims >about Stan. I don't compare you to him. Just purely meant
>as an example.
>
>
>I know what you are saying here, but I really just wanted Steve to leave me
>alone and leave it at that. He didn't hurt anyone else as far as I know, so
>I didn't think it really mattered that everyone know what he did to me. I
>dealt with him myself and that was that.
>
>I am finding out that more people knew about this than I wanted to know. I
>should realize how people gossip, and all it takes is to tell one person and
>the word is out. The only reason I e-mailed you was because I was curious to
>know how the story got turned around the way it did. I guess I wanted to
>know if Steve was telling lies about me (which I don't think he would) but I
>am at a point now where I don't know who is telling the truth anymore and
>who I can trust. Maybe I should take Fox Mulder's advice and trust no one.
>
>Thank you again for giving me the info that you could.
>
>Donna
>
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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:36:31 -0600
Subject: Re: Jans story
>Like it or not there is something to what Jan is saying. Here are two
emails I got from >Donna Wightman which somewhat collaborate Jan's story.
This is getting ridiculous. SHUT UP! IF Donna really did send you these
e-mails, you are beneath contempt for copying them to the list. I, for one,
want to talk about Grand Funk with people of like mind and I really don't
care about your personal vendettas. TAKE IT OFF LIST!!
Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot
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From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:20:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!
Block the troublemaker!
~Look@FranneRunRun
- ---Jan Harmon <ratrape@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts.
Still
> using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those
who
> seek the truth.
> I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
> determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
> Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
> silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who
are
> you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been
told it
> has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
> action. Why doust thou try now?
>
> !!JAN!!
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
------------------------------
From: "PC Firework`s" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:08:24 +0100
Subject: ratrape@hotmail.com & suntzu@joymail.com
- -Well I dont you will here from those two gentlemen for a couple hours,It de
pends on howe good in "games" they are... I have just sent them a kina computer-
virus that spit up their pc-screens in sevral pieces.
ratrape@hotmail.com mr Jan
suntzu@joymail.com
- -So If you guys read this let it be a Warning I got some more heavy "fireworks
for inside PC cards , We Swedes are a bit tired about all this crap you bring
into this area stories like yours belongs into weekly female magazines !
- -Thats all boys ,
Grand Funk Scandinavian Style !
RailRoos
------------------------------
From: John Diller <jdiller@usa.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:44:09
Subject: That jerk
Sorry about the subject line but it's how I feel.
I try not to jump in when Bill askes us not to, but enough is enough.
If this "Jan" character would say anything about GFR then it might be different.
All I've seen are personal attacks and hate by the truckload. Also it seems t
hat this person is going out of their way to hack into this list despite Bill's
efforts to keep him out. That seems down right unfriendly to me.
Bill made it plain, after an ugly incident earlier this year, that personal atta
cks have no place on this list.
Personally, I feel that ALL of us who are here because of a love of GFR and thei
r music owe Donna, Bill, the Pace's, and everyone else who's gone above and beyo
nd the call of duty a major thank-you.
It's going to take way more than the ravings of one hacker to change my mind abo
ut things around here.
Roadkiller
------------------------------
From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:14:10 -0600
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
Fordelmos' place wrote:
> Sorry Bill,
> But i disagree this is an open forum.... I think you should let it
> ride and let those who read decide...
Hi all. Glad to be back for a couple of days. I just had to get back on as
soon as possible. Gotta have my Funk.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I gotta disagree with Pat on this and
agree with Bill. This Jan person seems to have only one thing in mind.
Destroying this list.
If people want to hear this garbage they can do it by private email. This just
feeds this jerk.
Also, I don't want to rile anyone but Pat seems to agree with Jan a lot. Pat,
do you know something you are not telling? It is your right to agree with this
person just as it is our right to disagree. I am in no way, shape or form,
connecting you with this Jan person. I am only curious as to why you have the
opinions you do. Write back onlist or off. I am anxious to hear from you. I
love a healthy debate.
Peace
Spook
------------------------------
From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:30:22 -0600
Subject: betrayal
One more point. another reason I think that this Jan should be banned
from the list is that the posts are self serving and vengeful. I have
been on this list for a year and I think I can now tell who is
trustworthy and who is not. This Jan is not. Jans only purpose and goal
is to destroy this list. Who knows why. Maybe with the list gone it
makes the possibility of GFR getting back together even slimmer. Hell,
if you think that GFR is dead then what are you doing here? And Jan is
trying to get us to believe that Mark has only used Roadkill for his own
personal gain and really doesn't like the fans. Well if that were true,
I don't want to know nor do I care. I only know the joy and pleasure and
sense of conscious that GFR has given me all these years. Peace
Spook
------------------------------
From: Crim081858@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:30:34 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal
I would like to add my voice to those who support Bill P. on this issue. Jan's
posts should be blocked if possible. Roadkiller Diller hit the nail on the
head in pointing out that what Jan is doing has nothing to do with Grand Funk,
and personal attacks have no place on this list. Funkin Fish had a very good
idea in that Jan and Suntzu should start their own forum and invite whoever is
interested to join them for discussions on this unsavory topic. We need to get
back to the subject of Grand Funk Railroad and letter writing campaigns in
support of the anthology and catalogue release. We need to create interest in
the release of GSGP the way Stan Pace recommends. If we get into a free for
all over a bunch of mud slinging, we're just going to get bogged down. Let's
get on with the music!
Firebird (The one and only)
------------------------------
From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:04:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!
Hi all,
Well, I guess I'm glad to hear that Jan has no quarrel with
me. The "why" of it is simple: rule number 12) Occasional
flames are expected, insults and threats will not be allowed.
FWIW, Jan knew he/she had been unsubscribed -- he/she men-
tioned my "efforts" in his/her note. However, I did not receive
any bounced messages from his/her account from an attempt to post
to the list -- he/she simply subscribed again. Since Jan knew of
my actions without attempting to post to the list, there are only
two possibilities:
1) Jan is subscribed to the list under another account and
monitoring the list-activity from there, participating as a
regular list member; or ...
2) Some other list-member is working with Jan and passing him
information from the activity on list.
Either way, this anonymous name calling, hate-mongering, and
flaming is disgusting to me and I want it to stop. This has gone
way past occasional.
What disturbs me is that, despite what he/she says, his/her
name is not Jan Harmon. If it was, he/she would have no need to
hide behind the anonymous proxy server. Even more disturbing is
the idea that he/she may be one of our regular members. Obvious-
ly, since he has to hide, you have to realize that he/she is
afraid of something and that fear is one of the things that is
driving his/her personal agenda on-list. In addition to the
fear, the anonymity also indicates some anger that, as others
have mentioned, is probably due to his/her not being recognized
by the band or its management in some way. This is sad.
Personally, if I had an issue with Stan or Donna, I would talk
to them about it off-list. If I could not resolve it, I would
not communicate with them any more. Under no circumstances would
I belittle or berate them on-list to try to get other people to
dislike them as well. That would be less than high-school-ish,
it would be childish.
Unfortunately, no matter what I do, this will probably go on
for a while. There are just to many e-mail services and too many
choices for account names -- it's just the current state of the
'Net. But, I will do what I have to do, as often as I have to do
it to keep this tripe off-list.
BTW, I reserve the right to be childish one time on-list.
When I find out who this Jan person really is, I will post it to
the list.
Bill Parrette.
------------------------------
From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:11:25 EST
Subject: The truth about betrayal (drnolies)(Please Read) If you want to....
In a message dated 12/14/98 12:37:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
drnolies@yahoo.com writes:
<<
> I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages -
it would
> be UNAMERICAN.
I am new and a lurker by heart. I regret my first mail is not about
Grand Funk.
For many years I worked in the records dept. of the ACLU before I
retired. From my experience it bothers me when someone tries to stop
the flow of information. It gives me cause for suspicion. Frequently,
with enough time, a hidden agenda is revealed.
I say let all speak their piece.
For me to remain silent on this issue would have been a disservice to
my entire career.
My apologies,
Ben >>
I agree with this wholehearthedly, I got slammed for trying to pass on
truthful information..and I got crucified...everybody got all over me....I
didnt mind people speaking there peace. it was just the way people get there
information....most of it thru he said ...she said...crap...Lets let him (JAN)
speak his peace...lets get it from the horses mouth..(What would Mark say
about trying to close the mouth of the American people) I think you all know
the answer to that>>>>>.. Let him speak his peace and let us all make up our
own minds...Donna did rub me the wrong way at first but i forgive and
forget...I think Donna is a decent person...noones gonna change my mind as to
how I look at her...Stan Pace...I met Stan and Tia in Westbury they seemed
very nice to me...nothings gonna change the way I look at them...ask anyone
who knows me Im not a vindictive person...I just feel he has the right to
speak his peace....he might want to word it a little better thats all...I for
one believe some of the stuff he says about the band and all...and Terry
Claiborne who was deeply hurt about his site being destroyed and his daughter
being humiliated...that was the straw the camels back and now Terry is no
longer with us...One of the most determined and focused Fans I've ever
met...(but then again theres RickDC : )....(That stuff) Jan is saying is true
wheter you all want to hear it or not....There are alot of vindictive people
out there...Terry ...who really did that to him?????...maybe someone who was
jealous of his site being kick ass...It could 've been alot of people....Terry
and his innocent daughter were the victims there...Am I making myself
clear...we all need to sit back and just let it ride people who want to
respond to him can people who dont want to dont have to....Im hope Im not
making anyone angry for writing this...Im just speaking my mind and true
feelings.....Oh and Steve...Im not even going to go there.... Rick
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/9455/">Rick K's Grand
Funk Site</A>
P.S. Remember to check my site out....
------------------------------
From: GChrist725@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:36:29 EST
Subject: Re: Jans story
Jumping on the band wagon huh. You too didn't reveal your name. Sounds like
Donna responded very responsibly. So get your facts straight before you get
involved with this thing. Or are you the same person.
Be careful with this stuff because it's only going to get worse.
FUNK ON
George(and these are the days of our lives)Christopher
------------------------------
From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:01:09 -0800
Subject: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't
If I don't say anything in my defense, then some of you will think these
lies are true. At least if I tell my side of the story, then everyone can at
least have enough information to make up their own minds. Those of you who
know me, know the truth. Those of you who don't, may believe me or not. That
is your choice and I cannot control that, but at least you will have heard
my side.
Sometime this past summer, Steve Lisuk asked me to work on Mark's web site
for him (I still have all his e-mails to me in case anyone wants proof). I
declined at first because I was just too busy, and I was concerned about how
Don and Sunny might feel about it - I did not want to offend or upset them.
I may have a big mouth, but at least I try to be loyal to those I love.
Steve finally talked me into working on it so I created a demo and came up
with some ideas (it is still up at http://www.meclec.com/mark/ ). At one
point I even told Steve that I did not want any credit, but wanted to remain
anonymous.
Soon afterward this Steve said and did some things that offended and shocked
me. I told him that I did not want to work with him any longer, and that I
felt our differences were such that they could not be reconciled. It was my
decision to end the relationship, and to relinquish working on Mark's web
site. So you can see how untrue those rumors were. It always amazes me how
people can hear something and then change it so drastically.
I've never had any ambitions, or any expectations when it came to GFR. I
have always been thankful for everything that I have been fortunate enough
to receive from them. I am a musician myself, and a singer/songwriter. I
have been writing songs and playing guitar since I was 14 years old. It has
been my lifelong dream to make it in the music business, and to make
records. When I met the band, and became friends with Don and Sunny, many of
my musician friends think I am crazy to not take advantage of this
opportunity. But, I have never even given a demo tape to any of the band
members, or to any of the music business contacts I have made through GFR,
because I didn't think it was right to use my friendship with the band for
my own personal agenda. I just cannot use other people, even if it means
sacrificing my own dreams.
(My other projects are at http://www.meclec.com/donna )
I am being accused of things that others are guilty of. Jan is either
getting his information through bad gossip, or is intentionally making up
lies about me to cover up someone else's guilt. Yes, I did confide in a few
close friends about my falling out with Steve, but only because I was so
very hurt and I needed someone to talk to about it. It's ironic, but Jan is
actually going to hurt Steve by forcing me to tell the whole story of what
really happened.
In the last 3 1/2 years, my web site has been sabotaged, I have been
attacked privately and publicly, I have been lied to, used and betrayed.
This is not the first attempt to humiliate me and make me go away, but I
have always refused to get involved in these politics and power struggles. I
compete only with myself, and my creativeness is fueled by inspiration. I
don't resent others that are more talented than me, or more fortunate, I
admire them and look to them as mentors. Any true artist knows that
bitterness, jealousy and resentment stifles creativity.
I have been close to giving up so many times (and today is one of them.)
Do you all know the reason why I haven't? It is because of you, the fans.
The fan club is the one thing that has kept me going through thick and thin.
I know none of us are perfect, we are all flawed human beings. I accept my
friends for who they are, and I believe that they accept and love me despite
my faults. There is always two sides to every story, and the truth lies
somewhere in between, and because of this I do not like to throw stones at
others. I am the first to admit that my sins are many. The one thing I
cannot tolerate are people with blind ambition, people who don't think twice
about stepping on others, or hurting others, people who take credit and
exploit other's talent because they are so full of darkness that they don't
possess any of their own.
I started my little web site out as a tribute to my husband's favorite band.
It was and has always been a labor of love. Whenever I think about quitting,
someone comes along and tells me how much they appreciate my hard work.
These are the things that keep me going. The responsibility at times is so
heavy I can hardly bear it. I have worked on it literally hundreds of times
when I just didn't feel like doing it anymore. Ask my husband how many
nights (including weeknights) I stay up until 2, 3 or 4 in the morning and
then get up and go to work the next day. Ask people on this list how many
times I have been sick in the last 3 years because I run myself down
physically with lack of sleep. I wanted GFR to have one of the best web
sites on the Internet, and I have worked myself sick to try and achieve it.
I find it very hard and very unpleasant to have to defend myself in this
way, I keep thinking how unfair this is, and I keep asking myself who would
want to hurt me this bad? I don't understand what I have done to make
someone so angry at me and to want to destroy me and the work I have done
for the band. Jan will not reveal his identity, but his hatred at least
gives me a clue.
Bill, do not block Jan's letters on my account. Al and Pat are right, this
should remain an open forum and no one should be censured. I believe in
freedom of speech even at the cost of people believing lies, because I know
that the truth always come out eventually. In the bible it says "By their
fruits ye shall know them." So, if you are to judge me, then judge me by my
fruits, not by rumors or gossip.
Thank you all for listening,
Donna Wightman
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Stebek@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:03:14 EST
Subject: Oh no ..trouble again
Hey Roadkillers........I see trouble has been a-brewin here
again........we have seen it in the past and had become pretty good at
ignoring it because we pretty much knew the scource and just laughed it
off..........let's do it again!
Think about it......trouble coming from free e-mail
sources....sources that you can't trace....a brilliant plan.....he is working
hard on this one.......a lot of thought is going into this scheme also. It is
appreciated too! I've been pi$$ing my pants laughing while reading some of
this stuff!
C'mon gang......no replies is the way to go on this one!
Screw em!
Now to the real thing:
Here is to Sunny! Hope you are doing well!
Steve Bekeritis
------------------------------
From: Quasarn01@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:58:04 EST
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!
In a message dated 12/14/98 1:48:13 PM Central Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
> Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts. Still
> using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those who
> seek the truth.
> I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
> determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
> Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
> silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who are
> you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been told it
> has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
> action. Why doust thou try now?
>
> !!JAN!!
You know? I'm about sick and tired of your idiotic bull$#it... I don't even
care what goes on behind the scenes with whom ever wants to have it go on
with... Why don't you just shut the #ell up and go on about your damn
business and let us enjoy talking and hearing about the group we are supposed
to be here talking about anyway...
I don't post too often here and when I do, it's because I feel I have
something important to share with other fellow ROADKILLERS on this list... I
love reading about all the stories and the excitement shared by all of those
on this list and I could give a rat's @ss about who snips who or why it is
even an issue... The main objective here is to talk and share ideas and
moments about OUR BOYS, MARK, DON, and MEL... And I truly feel that just
about everyone here on this list feels the same way as I do... Some RK'ers
post more than others, some post moderately, and then there are those like me,
probably the majority, who are mostly silent and listen and learn and share
what they read within their own hearts about OUR American Band, GRAND FUNK
RAILROAD...
So why don't you just buzz off and let us go back into our little world of
harmony so we can enjoy dashing home from work or sneaking out of bed in the
middle of the night just to read what others have posted about GFR...
Donna, stay golden... And Fran and Bill and William and everyone else who are
members of this list, Merry Christmas to all of you... And Merry Christmas to
you, Mark, Don, and Mel.... And for you JAN, bite my ever-loving @ss and go
back to the slime hole that you squirmed out of and leave us the hell alone...
P.S. There... I feel better now...!!!!
"I Want Freedom" Michael
------------------------------
From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:44:57 -0600
Subject: Sorry, but it has to be said.
Rick K,please read. All others be advised of non GFR content.
Well why is this person trying to undermine the list? How do you know
that this isn't the very same person who nailed Terry's site or was
harassing Breimann till he left?How do you know that this isn't the
person who set you up? He admitted that he knew you weren't the
stalker.And why is this person hiding behind a wall? Where is the proof?
I'm sorry Rick, I have defended you before but I think you are mistaken
on this one, brother.
------------------------------
From: SHOOT400MC@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:38:17 EST
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal
In a message dated 12/14/98 3:04:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, TEXs308@aol.com
writes:
<< This "Jan" person is one insane
person, now he's starting to cut down others, trying to divide list >>
If he insists on calling Stan Pace, "Stanley," why don't we all call him
"Janice" from now on? Just a thought.
Gary Eaton/..
------------------------------
From: RICKDC@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:26:46 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal (drnolies)(Please Read) If you want to....
I think this is an interesting debate, Free speech or not. Well, I for one
normally like free speech, but this is Bill's list and I will try and follow
the rules that Bill set's up. I responded to Jan on Footstompers before,
because Bill did not want it on RK. I say let Bill decide and we should live
by whatever decision Bill makes. But I would say its probably impossible to
stop anyone from writing to the list. All they have to do is get a different
e-mail whenever they want to say something.
Also there are some rules on RK, one is not to personally attack anyone; so it
would be nice if we all followed that rule. I think Another rule should be
that no one should copy others e-mail to the list. It's just such a violation
of someone's privacy and talk about betrayal. It seems that the one talking
about betrayal is in fact betraying his friends on the list.
Jan, you seem to have allot of anger, your so mad at Stan and Tia, because you
say they stopped people from meeting the band, but in fact the band could have
stopped meet and greets all together. It was Sunny that convinced the powers
that be to at least let 20 or so RKer's get to meet the band at most shows. So
instead of being angry at Stan and Tia we should thank them for helping many
of to get to meet the band. I feel the all GFR own's us is a good show, when
we buy a ticket. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. I never though I would
meet the band and I am grateful that I got the chance, but even if I did not
meet the band, GFR's reunion has been a dream come true to me and I will never
forget it.
You also seem to be mad at Donna; why because Donna and Steve had a falling
out? If they did why is that any of our business. I for one Like both Donna
and Steve and If they are having any problem, I hope they work it out between
themselves. It's not my Business. And why should that anger you anyway. I
think we should respect the privacy of both Donna and Steve.
And your Mad at Robert Garrett, this one-you got me, I can't ever figure this
one out. Let's see, Robert organized the Hall of Fame signature collection
with franne. OK so maybe this gets you mad, you don't what GFR in the Hall of
Fame????? OK I got it Robert went to like 15 concert's. That's got to piss
off....no that don't make any sense either. Oh well I give up, I can't figure
this one out.
Jan, I'm not gonna slam you. It seems to me, your mad at people who have
tried to do allot for GFR and or are fairly close to Sunny and Don. Are you
Jealous of there relationship's? Also you seem to be making a huge deal out of
a little gossip. Someone Gossip's to you and you say they betrayed, but aren't
you doing the same thing? And who has not gossip at least a little, man, I
know I have. Jan aren't you gossiping by writing these e-mails?
Way off topic.
Now to the ACLU guy, where the hell are the ACLU when the FBI want's every
cash transaction of over $200 reported? Where are you all when every
conservative pac is being harassed by the IRS? Where are you on roving Wire
Taps? Where are you when two thugs from Arkansas are fingering through 900
plus peoples FBI files? Where are you on the Satellite system that monitors
all electronic communications in the USA? Where are you when US customs is
intercepting packages in Canada from one Canadian to another? Man every week
Clinton singes another presidential order that suspends the US constitution in
some way. And why aren't you out trying to stop their IRS from there Guilty to
proven Innocent policy? And Where are you stopping the Rico Statues that do
the same thing ? (and even let the Govt. take someone's property without due
process). I think you got bigger fish to fry than worrying about free speech
on Bill's list; and besides Its Bill's list, he is King hear, sorry Its not a
democracy. We are losing our freedoms daily in the USA and your worried about
freedom of speech on a private chat forum. Anyway SORRY I'm Getting carried
away, I am just very disheartened at what is becoming of our freedoms in the
USA.
Rick K
Rick, your right, that it was bad what someone did to Terry's site, but terry
told me personally who he believed it was and It's no one presently on the
Roadkill. So why bring this up now, like we gonna smoke out the culprit, that
person is long gone. So it does not follow, and now Jan's attacks on Robert
Garrett, Stan, Tia and Donna make no sense. Rick it seems to me this guy Jan,
is just Jealous that some people have a closer relationship to Don and Sunny
they he or she does. Just one fan's opinions.
Rick Cappetto
<A HREF="http://www.iguitar.com/Surveys/underrated.asp">PS. Don't forget to
Vote for Mark.</A>
------------------------------
From: DEWs308@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:38:38 EST
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't
In a message dated 12/14/98 6:46:44 PM Central Standard Time, donna@meclec.com
writes:
<< If I don't say anything in my defense, then some of you will think these
lies are true. At least if I tell my side of the story, then everyone can at
least have enough information to make up their own minds. Those of you who
know me, know the truth. >>
YOU GO GIRL......I may not know you <except via internet>....but I do ADMIRE
and RESPECT YOU:)
Thankfully most of us Roadkill Fans are INTELLEGENT enough to see PROPAGANA
when some little minded person puts it out.....
<<<CENSORED>>>>> read on at your on risk...lol
AND.............OFF LIST....
JAN, I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU HAD A REAL GOOD REASON for picking the name
"Ratrape".....cause your nuttin more than a 'LITTLE PRICK" I find it so
amusing how folks pick names that represent them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.....................ROFLMAO..................................................
..................
And unlike you I REFUSE to give out the PEOPLES NAMES THAT PASSED ON THAT TID
BIT OF INFO TO ME :)~
nanannanananannnn
------------------------------
From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:25:51 EST
Subject: Re: Sorry, but it has to be said.
In a message dated 12/14/98 8:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spook7@marshallnet.com writes:
<<
Well why is this person trying to undermine the list? How do you know
that this isn't the very same person who nailed Terry's site or was
harassing Breimann till he left?How do you know that this isn't the
person who set you up? He admitted that he knew you weren't the
stalker.And why is this person hiding behind a wall? Where is the proof?
I'm sorry Rick, I have defended you before but I think you are mistaken
on this one, brother.
>>
I must say this is a very good point and it very well can be but noone knows
...like I said its alot of he said she said and thats where the problems
lie...I respect your opinion...you speak what you feel and thats how it should
be....everyone speak how they feel...If we all put fake smiles on and lie to
each other we are only living a lie and pretending to be agreeing isnt
right...I try to speak my mind but people just ad lib and one person tells
another than another than another etc...and by the time it gets to the end its
a totally different story..Thats what it is all about though.....But everyone
need to be openminded...and not believe everthing everyone says....theres alot
of people blowing smoke up everyones behind ...like Jan said...this is where I
agree with him... Rick
------------------------------
From: Shock3082@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:52 EST
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!....I see the bottom feeders are back!
Hey, Jan we know the truth! The truth is you just wanna muddy up the waters,
distort the truth, and outright lie. ...Hey gang I just figured out that Jan
is really Bill Clinton in disguise. Or, could it be Hillary?
Slither back to the bottom of the tank now. You it enjoy it so.
Love
Shock
Delaware's #1 ________________________. Well fill in the blank here, I know
you just cant resist. .....Come on now....dont wait......hurry up....I know
you wont leave me alone, it just not in you to do that.
------------------------------
From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:52:26 EST
Subject: Re: Oh no ..trouble again Everyone read!!!!!(Unfunkenbelievable)
In a message dated 12/14/98 7:45:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stebek@aol.com
writes:
<<
Hey Roadkillers........I see trouble has been a-brewin here
again........we have seen it in the past and had become pretty good at
ignoring it because we pretty much knew the scource and just laughed it
off..........let's do it again!
Think about it......trouble coming from free e-mail
sources....sources that you can't trace....a brilliant plan.....he is working
hard on this one.......a lot of thought is going into this scheme also. It is
appreciated too! I've been pi$$ing my pants laughing while reading some of
this stuff!
C'mon gang......no replies is the way to go on this one!
Screw em!
>>
This is my point on people reading more into things,
Who do you think he is referring to....dah !!!! Just because I agree with
a couple of things Jan says...C'mon see this is a perfect example of how
people are so taken in and believe everything they read...If you believe
Steves post more power to you...Im PI$$ING my pants that this guy can even
think this!!!! Steve you are way off here man...But I enjoy your enlightment
on the subject....Free forum thats what its all about...just speaking my
peace.....Rick
------------------------------
From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:14:45 EST
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't(please Read)
In a message dated 12/14/98 7:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, donna@meclec.com
writes:
<< It always amazes me how
people can hear something and then change it so drastically. >>
Thats what Ive been saying....
its so ludicrious its sickening...I was the "Stalker"remember?
just because someone said that and it just exploded.....I even forget who said
it......and alot of people still believe that.....Its funny in a way me the
"Big Scary Stalker...Look out here I come...(LOL)
Donna noone is gonna corrupt my mind as to how I feel about you....as with
probably alot of others on the list I appreciate what you've done and dont
give up...that is not the answer....But everyone does have their own right and
belief...you just cannot let it corrupt your mind Everyone needs to take
whatever they hear with a grain of salt....
Rick
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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:31:14 EST
Subject: Re: response to Rick DC
In a message dated 12/14/98 10:30:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, RKeiderlin
writes:
<<
In a message dated 12/14/98 8:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, RICKDC writes:
<<
Rick K
Rick, your right, that it was bad what someone did to Terry's site, but
terry told me personally who he believed it was and It's no one presently on
the Roadkill. So why bring this up now, like we gonna smoke out the culprit,
that person is long gone. So it does not follow, and now Jan's attacks on
Robert Garrett, Stan, Tia and Donna make no sense. Rick it seems to me this
guy Jan, is just Jealous that some people have a closer relationship to Don
and Sunny they he or she does. Just one fan's opinions.
Rick Cappetto
>>
Yes true but Terry wasn't exactly sure it was this person...he actually
narrowed it down to 3 people and 2 of them are off list...He's not exactly
sure (he said) he only had an idea of who he thought it was....Who knows..
Like (I said) alot of he said she said...noone has any concrete proof even
with JAN....just my opinion....Rick K >>
------------------------------
From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 21: 9:11 PST
Subject: You want facts?
As someone said before - R.Kiederling was not the guy who stalked Don and Sunny'
s house.
Donna and others mistakenly accused him of it. Hey, it was likely an honest mist
ake.
But when Donna found out it was not R.Kiederling, Wayne Coker who did it, She ne
ver came forward and corrected her mistake. That is about as dishonest and gutle
ss an act as any human could have done. To deliberately let someone suffer throu
gh what R.K. did because of a personal grudge is unforgivable. She left him out
hanging. Donna the sweet, kind, caring person let an innocent go to the gallows.
I am not defending R.K. He has likely done some stupid stuff. But he DID NOT do
that and she knew it. Yea, you are a real lady.
I personally don't believe a word she is saying about Steve Lisuk. HE is the cla
ss act here by avoiding this whole diatribe. Donna hasn't been able to keep her
mouth shut and she is playing many of you for suckers.
And besides if Steve is dishonest do you think Farner would keep him under his w
ing. I think not! Farner is a stand up man. Period!
What a bunch of intercoursing lemmings some of you are.
JOHN ROCKWOOD
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From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:24:17 -800
Subject: Re: Someone's Gonna Blow A Gasket
I am a Democrat sir and I know where I stand on many things. I personally consid
er
it very immature of you to contribute to what is already an out of control situa
tion.
Your comment was no better than any of Jan's. Yet I noticed you criticized him
for his views. Your use of foul language is probably not appreciated by some
also I would venture.
Sincerely,
Seil
> Hey Brother Rick K. You're so damn busy agreeing with everything and
>everybody, you better watch it buddy or your gonna blow a fuse.
> You're just like a liberal Democrat, Don't know where the hell you stand
on
>anything.
>
> FUNK ON
>George(Don't like either political party)Christopher
>
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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:21:56 EST
Subject: Re: You want facts?
In a message dated 12/15/98 12:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
suntzu@joymail.com writes:
<< As someone said before - R.Kiederling was not the guy who stalked Don and
Sunny's house.
>>
I havent been to Florida since 1987...this is getting good..Oh by the way I
did hear about the Wayne Coker thing...I just chalked it up to Wayne trying to
get autographs and photos...I dont think Wayne meant any harm ...but he
shouldnt have asked Don to autograph the photos the neighbor gave him...(so I
heard) I dont know if it is true...its only hearsay so noone take it as
gospel.........I knew about the Wayne Coker thing...but Im not gonna put
someone out to fry for something I dont know the facts about....just to redeem
myself...for something I didnt do..the truth always comes out in the
end....But lets not all fire on Wayne Ive traded him stuff and wayne seems to
me to be a straight forward and very nice guy.... Rick
------------------------------
From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:02:53 -0600
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't
Just wanted to add my voice to Donna's support. Donna has done a wonderful
job on the official site. I know from the experience of setting up and
running my own site (although it pales in comparison to Donna's) that it is
much more time consuming and hard work than most people can ever imagine.
You only do it because you love it and then to have some sick individual try
to tear that down is very hard to take. Donna, don't let this person win.
There are at least 300 of us and 1 of them. We appreciate everything you
have done and as far as I'm concerned, whatever happened between you and
Steve is your business and not mine or anyone else's.
Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot
------------------------------
From: "Michael Catalano" <catalanomi@ul.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 7:34:17 EST
Subject: Roadkilled
'Been through alot with many of you right from the very beginning. It's
been great.....but I've had it. Digest number 803 was the end for me.
For those of you that want or need to get in touch, you know where to reach
me.
Mick CatManEast
------------------------------
From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:16:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: You want facts?
- ---suntzu@joymail.com [JOHN ROCKWOOD] wrote:
>>I personally don't believe a word [Donna] is saying about Steve
Lisuk.<<
It doesn't matter what you believe, you don't know Donna, and you
don't know the facts.
>>What a bunch of intercoursing lemmings some of you are<<
You would appear to have some pretty boilerplate psychoses, pal.
Wanna talk about 'em? Call 1-800-F0CK-0FF.
~fm
------------------------------
From: Leo Bartoli <ljb@pwshift.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:48:17 -0500
Subject: RE: Donna's fruit
Donna Wightman wrote:
> In the bible it says "By their fruits ye shall know them." So, if you are to
judge me, then judge me by
> my fruits, not by rumors or gossip.
>
>
Thank you. I feel I must take you up on it.
> From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:01:09 -0800
> Subject: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't
>
>
> ....Sometime this past summer, Steve Lisuk asked me to work on Mark's web
site
> for him (I still have all his e-mails to me in case anyone wants proof). I
> declined at first because I was just too busy, and I was concerned about how
> Don and Sunny might feel about it - I did not want to offend or upset them.
> I may have a big mouth,
>
"When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise"
Pr 10:19
>but at least I try to be loyal to those I love.
>
"My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show
favoritism." Ja 2:1
> Steve finally talked me into working on it so I created a demo and came up
> with some ideas (it is still up at http://www.meclec.com/mark/ ). At one
> point I even told Steve that I did not want any credit, but wanted to remain
> anonymous.
>
"Remind the people ...to be ready to do whatever is good, ... and to show true
humility toward all men."
Tit 3:2
When I met the band, and became friends with Don and Sunny, many of
> my musician friends think I am crazy to not take advantage of this
> opportunity. But, I have never even given a demo tape to any of the band
> members, or to any of the music business contacts I have made through GFR,
> because I didn't think it was right to use my friendship with the band for
> my own personal agenda. I just cannot use other people, even if it means
> sacrificing my own dreams.
>
"If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing." (Jesus) Jn 8:54
> (My other projects are at http://www.meclec.com/donna )
>
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord." 1Co 1:31
> I am being accused of things that others are guilty of. Jan is either
> getting his information through bad gossip, or is intentionally making up
> lies about me to cover up someone else's guilt. Yes, I did confide in a few
> close friends about my falling out with Steve, but only because I was so
> very hurt and I needed someone to talk to about it.
>
"Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up
in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you." 1 Pe 5:6
It's ironic, but Jan is
> actually going to hurt Steve by forcing me to tell the whole story of what
> really happened.
>
"Be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves" Mat 10:16
> In the last 3 1/2 years, my web site has been sabotaged, I have been
> attacked privately and publicly, I have been lied to, used and betrayed.
> This is not the first attempt to humiliate me and make me go away, but I
> have always refused to get involved in these politics and power struggles. I
> compete only with myself, and my creativeness is fueled by inspiration. I
> don't resent others that are more talented than me, or more fortunate, I
> admire them and look to them as mentors. Any true artist knows that
> bitterness, jealousy and resentment stifles creativity.
>
> I have been close to giving up so many times (and today is one of them.)
> Do you all know the reason why I haven't? It is because of you, the fans.
>
"...They boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage."
Jude 1:16
> The fan club is the one thing that has kept me going through thick and thin.
> I know none of us are perfect, we are all flawed human beings. I accept my
> friends for who they are, and I believe that they accept and love me despite
> my faults.
>
"...For if you love only those who love you, what reward will you have? Do not
even the tax collectors do the same thing? And if you salute only your
brothers, what is it more that you do? Do not even the tax collectors do the
same thing? Therefore become perfect, just as your heavenly father is
perfect."
Mt 5:46
The one thing I
> cannot tolerate are people with blind ambition, people who don't think twice
> about stepping on others, or hurting others, people who take credit and
> exploit other's talent because they are so full of darkness that they don't
> possess any of their own.
>
"Why do you see the splinter which is in your brother's eye, and do not feel
the beam which is in your own eye? First take out the beam from your own eye,
and then you will see clearly to get out the splinter from your brother's eye."
Mt 7:3,5
> I find it very hard and very unpleasant to have to defend myself in this
> way, I keep thinking how unfair this is,
>
"...Or those eighteen upon whom the tower in Shiloha fell, and it killed them;
do you think that they were greater sinners than all the other people who lived
in Jerusalem? No!, but I say to you that unless you repent, you too will all
perish." Lk 13:4
S/Leo, who knows not the facts and therefore takes no sides.
------------------------------
From: Leo Bartoli <ljb@pwshift.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: RE: your post/Off-topic
On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:44 PM, Donna Wightman
[SMTP:donna@meclec.com] wrote:
>
> I just wanted to let you know that your post hurt me very deeply.
>
Never my intent Donna. I hope that you may find strength in yourself.
S/Leo
"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret,
but worldly sorrow brings death." 2 Co 7:10
------------------------------
From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:00:45 -0800
Subject: To my friends:
This will be my last post to Roadkill. I felt that I owed it to my friends
to say goodbye. I appreciate all the love and support I have received from
all of you and I am thankful for the many friendships that I have made here.
I hope someday to be able to look back on this time and only remember the
good.
I know many of you want me to continue, but the persecution, pain and
suffering I have endured in the last 3 days is just too great a price to ask
of anyone. I believe there is a purpose for everything, even if we do not
understand it at the time. I feel as though my heart is being ripped out of
me, but I know that it is time for me to move on.
I wish you all and GFR the best. I know you will get them into the Hall of
Fame, and when that day comes I will smile and remember when.
Yours truly,
Donna Wightman
------------------------------
From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:38:51 -0800
Subject: what's up?
What's up?
I go away for a couple of months and come back to being in the middle of
who knows what. I've only started to wade through several hundred e-mails,
and I don't believe what I'm reading! What happened to the happy family
atmosphere that was going on?
I see that there is some truth/rumors going on about Donna (and I) and the
GFR website. I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred
towards Donna, Stan, or anybody. To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna. What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to
me. I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever again.
I will not force myself on anybody.
I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not give their
personal info to anybody, I don't. I have passed phone numbers to him from
people that have requested that I do, but I can't control who he choses to
call.
Mark has been the target of ugly rumors himself, lately, and will respond
in the next few days on his website. Why are these things happening? Is
this all coming from the underlying hysteria of the national outrage that
is meant to divide the people of this nation, and detract attention while
the dark forces solidify their foothold on our historic morallity?
Remember, we are all brothers and sisters working toward our goal to reach
the higher plane. Life is too short to worry about petty prejudices and
who does, or doesn't, do what. None of us are perfect; it is only human to
waver, and evaluate the challenges that are presented to us each day. It
is how we answer those challenges, and learn from our experiences that
leads to the rewards promised by our Lord.
What have I been doing? I have started working for a new health care
organization, and working hard with the local Boy Scout organization in
raising money for their summer youth projects. Working with my children,
in their pursuits, is my first love. Teaching them the love of our
Saviour, honesty, to respect other people, good morals, and the rewards of
hard work is a joy that my wife, Carol, and I both share.
Grand Funk is great, but is only meant as entertainment. It is part of the
careers of M,D,&M only. I have been putting together a small,
informational website for Mark that will provide info, and updates, on his
career. We are also beginning to work on a more extensive site that will
be up at a future date.
If I somehow miss a reply to a personal e-mail from anyone. Please let me
know later in the week. I am only now getting to responding to several
weeks worth of backed up mail!
Peace to all, and God bless,
Steve Lisuk
PS. Donna and Allen, our love for you remains undiminished.
------------------------------
From: Lauren Hall <lahall1@Mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: OK RAT RAPE JAN!-CAUTION-HARD R RATING! and slightly off topic
SORRY GANG I HAVE HAD IT,THIS S.O.B.IS REALLY TEARING US APART!
DEAR RATRAPE JAN,SHIT FOR BRAIN'S,OR WHATEVER YOU ARE?(TAKE YOUR PICK)
I AM NOT A TOTAL IDIOT,OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE FOR THAT MATTER,
IF YOU ARE SO DAMN SURE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR STATEMENT'S
WHY HIDE?SO MUCH HOT AIR?SMELL'S LIKE FART IN A HIGH WIND TO ME!
READ MY ADDRESS,THIS IS REAL!READ MY NAME-RONNIE HALL-aka-LITTLE JOHNNY HOOKER
WANT TO KNOW WHERE I LIVE?JUST ASK-WANT MY PHONE NUMBER?JUST ASK!
I AM A TRUE DIE HARD GFRR FAN,AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS LIST!
NO I DO NOT LIKE THE BEATLE'S,NOR THE ROLLING STONE'S-SO WHAT?
IF YOU HAVE THE BALL'S TO MAKE THESE STATEMENT'S ABOUT OUR FRIEND'S
WHY DO YOU HIDE,BEAT AROUND THE BUSH,AND TRY TO START RUMOR'S,AND
TWIST FACT'S TO CREATE FICTION!
I PERSONALLY THINK YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOU!
IF I HAD A REAL BEEF WITH SOMEONE IT WOULD BE A COLD DAY IN HELL
IF I DID NOT STAND UP LIKE A(MAN)AND CONFRONT THIS PERSON FACE TO FACE!
BUT LIKE I SAID ONLY A MAN-NOT A LITTLE WHINING PISS ANT-IF THE SHOE FIT'S-
I CALL A SPADE A SPADE,I DON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH!
OLD CHINESE PROVERB:IF YOU ARE AN IDIOT-IT IS BETTER TO KEEP ONES MOUTH
SHUT!RATHER THAN TO OPEN IT AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!
SO PUT UP YOUR STATEMENT'S AND YOUR REAL IDENTITY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
LIKE I SAID IF IT'S THE TRUTH YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!
IF YOU CAN VERIFY YOUR STATEMENT'S DO SO!
IF YOU ARE TO MUCH OF A PISS ANT,PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME!
I WON'T LET THESE BULLIES ON THIS SITE HURT YOUR LITTLE PECKER HEAD!
i already know your answer but remember this
A -MAN -IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORD,AND SO FAR YOU HAVE PROVEN
TO BE THE SO CALLED BACKSTABBER AND DECEIVER-SO SHIT OR GET OF THE POT!
I GOTTA GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR ONE THING THOUGH-
YOU'RE ABOUT AS SLICK AS CLINTON'S CIGAR!
LITTLE JOHNNY DA HOOKER
------------------------------
From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:52:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: ...
Where do I start ...
Well, Jan Harmon, a.k.a. ratrape, a.k.a. ... Are you happy?
I know you're here. Even though I unsubscribed you, and even
though I blocked you from posting to the list ... I know you're
here and you must be just tickled with yourself right now.
You did what you intended to do: you got Donna to leave the
list, maybe more. The "Cat" brothers are gone -- both Phil and
Mick unsubscribed today. Lyman is leaving, several others have
left without saying a word. It isn't a mass-exodus yet but I bet
you're just thrilled with the pain, suffering, and sorrow that
you created here.
I guess the rest of you now know why Footstompers was created.
Would someone please explain to me why I shouldn't turn the
"moderated" option on? Would some one please tell me why I
shouldn't enable the "subscription verification" option? Would
someone please give me a reason for leaving this list up at all?
I can't remember when I've been so sad and mad at the same
time.
The wide majority of you told me that you wanted to keep this
as an open forum where subscribers could freely exchange thoughts
and ideas that were hopefully related to our common interest in
Grand Funk Railroad. I tried to follow the majority's wishes.
And what do we get for this freedom?
Lies, unsubstantiated allegations, hate, arguments, flame
wars, name calling, and too much more. I gave you the freedom to
interact with others as adults. But, it seems that some want to
bicker, argue, lie, and hate like children -- some of them hiding
behind the proxies and firewalls and other anonymous tools of the
Internet.
Why should I let this continue? Is there really a good reason
to allow anybody to come in and inflict pain and sorrow on my
friends? ... where anybody can argue and bicker like a yard full
of children?
I'll tell you folks, I've got a lot to think about here ...
some decisions to make ... and I am not in a good mood right now
...
Bill Parrette
wap@parrette.net
------------------------------
From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:30:34 -0700
Subject: ROCK FIGHT..........
To all the roadkillers..and some dumb ass name Jan......
Earlier i posted a email saying that we should allow an open forum
and to let the people speak... While this is true in most cases, i
don;t believe it should be used by someone to attack others and there
credibility...anytime we as a group open an email and no matter who its
addressed to if its a flamer we are all affected and it disrupts the
balance that so many of us enjoy in life. I in know way condone the
actions of this Jan guy.... First of all folks this is an email
sight..... not reality... not your real life... it is to be expected on
line... there are no rules of engagment and no one to police the
ranks...We as participants know and knew it when we turned our little
computers on....I personally have met some of the people on the attack
list, I personally can say that i enjoyed there company and that they
are ALL heartwarming people... people with feelings and emotions....
people who are genuinly concerned about others and what goes on with
this sight...To those and all that follow I say hold on... don;t
run.... walk ... Jan will get tired of following... He only gets
satisfaction when he gets a rise out of some one... so... don;t play the
game....Don't even acknowledge the son of a bitch... let him fade a way
like old jeans...I have seen names of people who i don;t know, leave the
site, but apparently others hold in high regard.. to those i must say i
am sorry that you have lost your friends that you like to share with...
but ... some of you have there email addresses and maybe when this pin
head is gone you can get them to come back.. I for one am grateful for
this sight and the web site that Donna created... with out you all I
would have never seen the "boys" this year.. I was honored to see them
twice this year including the final show.... Thanks to you all that
made this forum possible.. Thank you Donna for the enjoyment you have
given me and my few off line friends with the GFR web site...And thank
you Bill for providing me a place to post this... DON'T LOOSE YOUR
FOCUS OR YOUR BALANCE.....This Jan fellow is like an insect bite...
annoying but it too will pass.....like bad gas....we should all be
talking about the person we ALL hold in high regard... Sunny and Don
and her surgery..... God Bless you Sunny, I hope all is well with you
now.. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.... Thanks to you and Don
for all that you have given the road killers.....It is greatly
apprieciated by all.....
Ass for you Jan... please go bother the marino fans.....
From the heart....
Merry Christmas to all and a Happy New Year....
Pat
P.S. Donna please reconsider your actions..... Your wanted and
needed...... :-)
------------------------------
From: "Oktay Rasizade" <rasizade@cntc.dubna.su>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:46:32 +0300
Subject: I choose freedom
Hi Bill !
As was said once, Democracy is not very good order, but other orders are
much worser. There is moderated GFR list already, why we need another one ?
Why we need someone above us to controle us, we are sheeps or what ? Why we
cannot rule in Roadkill using the power of people? People do you like
dictatorship ? We have to solve our problems ourselves. First at all there
are people among us who trust each other. I think it is sufficient to
improve things . It takes time, but history shows that quick and strong
solutions are not the best ones. I choose freedom.
BTW ratrape came from FS list, which is moderated and what ? May be freedom
cause some problems, but I like it.
From Russia with Grand Funk >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/
We salute you ! >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/oktay/
------------------------------
From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: what's up?
- ---steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net> wrote:
>>I go away for a couple of months...<<
Oh, did you really? Then how did you know to zip back on list about
twenty seconds after Donna decided to bag it? Co-inky-dink!?
>>I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred towards
Donna...To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna.<<
Perhaps you need your memory refreshed? Steve, as you know, Donna and
I have been great friends for over 10 years. She confided in me
months ago about her feelings regarding the way you always seem to be
manipulating her, etc. I knew about you before I even joined this
list! And, I have read all your mail to her...So you may be fooling
some of the people, but you're not fooling me.
>>What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to me.<<
Oh, yeah, RIGHT!!! Let's start with your trip to the Greek Theatre in
LA in August. You asked Donna and Allen to LIE TO YOUR WIFE about
Donna riding down there with you. What the hell was that all about?
>>I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever
again.<<
Why don't you go back and read the chronology in all the letters you
sent her. You'll find all the answers you seek there.
>>I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not
give their personal info to anybody, I don't. I have passed phone
numbers to him from people that have requested that I do, but I can't
control who he choses to call.<<
Are you trying to imply that Donna wanted you to get Mark to call her,
and you did your part!? You know very well that *you* begged Donna to
work on Mark's website with you (I saw the e-mail, pal, you admittedly
don't know what you're doing) and tried to convince her that Mark knew
all about it...yeah, yeah, yeah. You were trying to get her to do the
work and get Mark to think you were the brains. Yeah, ppphhhh.
Okay, I have a lot more to say, but I'm just out of energy for this
crap. Your turn! Come on you guys, I'm sure I'm gonna hear it now. :)
~Franne
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From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: what's up?
- ---steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net> wrote:
>>I go away for a couple of months...<<
Oh, did you really? Then how did you know to zip back on list about
twenty seconds after Donna decided to bag it? Co-inky-dink!?
>>I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred towards
Donna...To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna.<<
Perhaps you need your memory refreshed? Steve, as you know, Donna and
I have been great friends for over 10 years. She confided in me
months ago about her feelings regarding the way you always seem to be
manipulating her, etc. I knew about you before I even joined this
list! And, I have read all your mail to her...So you may be fooling
some of the people, but you're not fooling me.
>>What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to me.<<
Oh, yeah, RIGHT!!! Let's start with your trip to the Greek Theatre in
LA in August. You asked Donna and Allen to LIE TO YOUR WIFE about
Donna riding down there with you. What the hell was that all about?
>>I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever
again.<<
Why don't you go back and read the chronology in all the letters you
sent her. You'll find all the answers you seek there.
>>I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not
give their personal info to anybody, I don't. I have passed phone
numbers to him from people that have requested that I do, but I can't
control who he choses to call.<<
Are you trying to imply that Donna wanted you to get Mark to call her,
and you did your part!? You know very well that *you* begged Donna to
work on Mark's website with you (I saw the e-mail, pal, you admittedly
don't know what you're doing) and tried to convince her that Mark knew
all about it...yeah, yeah, yeah. You were trying to get her to do the
work and get Mark to think you were the brains. Yeah, ppphhhh.
Okay, I have a lot more to say, but I'm just out of energy for this
crap. Your turn! Come on you guys, I'm sure I'm gonna hear it now. :)
~Franne
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From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:12:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: please take action
Mr. Parrette it appears you have removed some of the trouble makers
and I applaud you for it. I wish you would consider removing Franne
also as her post have been very inflammatory. Even before the last
one. She was upset because of Jan's post, but hers are no different.
Ben
PS: I am still hoping this list will turn into a Grand Funk list.
There seem to be some very decent people here who are afraid to stick
their heads out. But Mostly I see nothing but crudeness.
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From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:02:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: please take action
Well, I suppose you're partially right: I was upset and therefore
'very inflammatory'. And I do apologize to anyone who was offended by
my passion. I realize many of you don't believe this belongs on the
list. However, my reply was made public because the blatant attempt
to discredit Donna and illicit pity was public. Donna wasn't here to
defend herself, so I felt it incumbent upon me to reveal the truth.
If I was mad about it as I went about it, sobeit.
FYI, Loose Lips, a few slight differences you fail to note betwen my
posts and Jan's: I'm willing to reveal my identity; my opinions are
based on actual-factual knowledge; some list members are interested in
what I have to say.
~Franne
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From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:10:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: please take action
In response to your last note.
I do not know if everyone wants to hear what you have to say or not. I
will take your word that you speak for all.
Whether or not you have revealedd your identity to me is pointless.
Franne is simply a name like any other. I do not know who you are.
But your statement about revealing factual knowledge is hollow. Your
remarks are no more supported by facts or evidence than the other
persons. If I am to believe you then I shall also be compelled to
believe Jan. He offers as much evidence as you do. Which is none that
I can see.
From my short time here I have seen you do everything you attacked the
other person for doing. Your 
