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Posts to "roadkill" related to !!JAN!! et. al.


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I dont know if this is related or not ...

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From: jamespatton@webtv.net (James Patton)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:36:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RAT SALAD

I smell a big ole RAT in the mix here somwhere! Time to bring in the
cats to clean them out or run them out!

Thank You And Have A Nice Day!
Peace And Goodwill Always!
         Jim Patton

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!!JAN!! first appeared on Footstompers and was cross-posted to "roadkill" ...

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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:57:39 EST
Subject: Re: FS- Re:  future we had

In a message dated 98-11-16 22:33:27 EST, ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< Mark
 Frederick will always be with us musically.

 !!JAN!!
  >>
And what about Don and Mel?  Where will they be?  Please let us know!!!!!!!!
                                   MJM

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From: "J.R. Garrett" <rgarrett@metronet.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:32:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: FS- How to get the future we want.

On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Jan Harmon wrote:

> Don't waste your time or money fellow. The guys decided to call it quits
> a couple a months ago. Just be thankful they played for us again and
> don't be so pushy and greedy. Let them get on with their lives. Mark
> Frederick will always be with us musically.

Beg to differ, Jan.  This weekend we all heard directly that next year is
undecided.  I can understand how someone who doesn't know me might get
the impression that my post was 'greedy', but everything I've done since
hooking up with roadkill has been motivated by an intense desire to give
back to the guys, not take from them.  Read the Goldmine and Discoveries
interviews again.  Watch the Good Morning America and Crook & Chase
segments.  Every time the band has made any sort of public statement
about the future, it has been "We're back for good."  Until such time as
they may tell us otherwise, I'm going to out here "pushy" to get doors
to open for them, "greedy" to get them the attention and recognition they
deserve.
They've already given me many times over more than I could ever hope to
repay.

No Lies

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From: steltond@dgabby.mfldclin.edu (Dana Stelton)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:06 CST
Subject: ???  JAN

Jan....................that's a good assuption about GFR's future being over. Do
 you have hard facts?
Everybody has opinions, but what we need is facts.
Let's not get wacko here. If that's the case then everyone knows I'm a professio
nal at that.
I,m not flaming..............if you have facts, I'll listen

                        friend of DA Funk
                        Duckblind...

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From: Mike Adair <mada_dodad@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:45:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re; How to get the future we want

Jan, I'm with you on this one. Besides, has anyone found out what kind
of future MARK DON and MEL *WANT*?????

Mada

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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:05:30 EST
Subject: Re: ???  JAN

In a message dated 98-11-17 13:12:59 EST, steltond@dgabby.mfldclin.edu writes:

<< friend of DA Funk
                        Duckblind...
  >>
Hey, you saw that too,  Jan,  is this a lurker, or maybe by the tone of the
note,
maybe it is Mark Farner letting us down easy.  I still want to know were Don
and Mel
will be?                        Just the facts !!!!
                                   MJM

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From: gha6001@Mindspring.com (George  H.  Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:16:52 -0500
Subject: Re: FS- Re: How to get the future we want.

Jan!!!

In my  humble  opinion  the   VH-1  Special will  have  alot  to  do  with
the  future  of GFR.  It  would  only  take  one  VIP  from one  record
company  to  see  the  VH-1  Special, and  BAM!!!  a  new  record  deal  is
struck.  The  rest  is history  as  they say.

Big  BUns  Anderson

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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:35:28 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .

In a message dated 11/30/98 10:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< Everyone had their chances to get in on this . Those that didnt will
 just have to do without. To let people in on the deal now is a slap in
 the face to those members that put their trust in you up front when you
 asked for help. These other people are freeloaders.
 Probably the kind of people that write inflammatory letters to magazines
 after pretending to be someones friend to their face.
 Someone wrote a disco song about that called BACKSTABBERS. Was it Kool
 and the Gang?


SOME OF US ARE JUST NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
CONTRIBUTE.....some of us can barely afford to buy what we
need.....freeloaders my ass!!!!!!!

hEARTBREAKER

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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:48:31 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .

In a message dated 11/30/98 1:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< Not a very convincing sob story. Especially since you have a computer
 and pay a monthly ISP charge to get on here and complain about not
 having money. If you don't have ten dollars to spare then you shouldn't
 be on the Internet wasting money. The truth is that now that you see
 something has come of this project you want in at the last minute. Where
 were you when they asked for support when they needed it? Now you are
 simply creating more work for someone so you can have yours.

 !!JAN!! >>

This is my dad's machine, I don't even own a car or anything else for that
matter.  I am under medical care and am very ill.... Not that it is any of
your business... I don't think that any one on this list should be considered
a freeloader.  We are supposed to be friends.
No one should be putting anyone down.  Besides I am not asking to be a part of
this project, I never did I just answered someone's uncalled for attack on us
all.  I originally was going to contribute but due to things not in my control
can't.  Sorry that does not meet with your approval.  I have done other things
to help.

Linda (Heartbreaker)

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From: gha6001@Mindspring.com (George  H.  Anderson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:44:16 -0500
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .

Jan!!!

I  normally  do  not  get  pissed  about  anything  on  this  list  but,  I
am  now.  First,  move  on  to  another  subject  matter.  Who  are  you
to  judge,  especially  Linda,  whom  you  do  not  even  know  anything
about.  GFR  is  the  subject, and  not  personal  attacks  on  Linda's
financial  situation.  So,  LAY  OFF!!!.  Linda  will  receive  a  copy  of
the  tape  from  me,  because  she  is  a  Roadkiller  with  a  heart  of
gold, and  I  take  care  of  those  Roadkiller's  who  in  my  time  of
need  have  been  there  for  me.  We  are  all  brother's  and  sister's
on  this  list, and  should  be  treated  as  such.

George

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From: DOdell4280@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:41:19 EST
Subject: ratrape issue

the only offical word on this from the hfs is that ....we wish you were a
donator cause id mail your money back  because we dont need this bull....my
personal oponionis i think you should apologise to all  and with an HONEST
apoligy and i think we could overlook this incident

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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:36:03 -0600
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .

><< Not a very convincing sob story. Especially since you have a computer
> and pay a monthly ISP charge to get on here and complain about not
.....................

> were you when they asked for support when they needed it? Now you are
> simply creating more work for someone so you can have yours.
>
> !!JAN!! >>

I have questions. Who is this !!JAN!! ? Why do I only see this name being
quoted in replies and not in original posts? Is this someone in
Footstompers? And last but certainly not least, why is it that every time I
see a quote from her, she's complaining about something in a rude and
obnoxious way? Come on !!JAN!!, we believe in being civil around here.

Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot

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From: Shock3082@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:37:39 EST
Subject: Re: hfs generation 2 .

In a message dated 11/30/98 4:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gha6001@Mindspring.com writes:

<< I  normally  do  not  get  pissed  about  anything  on  this  list  but,  I
 am  now.  First,  move  on  to  another  subject  matter.  Who  are  you
 to  judge,  especially  Linda,  whom  you  do  not  even  know  anything
 about.  GFR  is  the  subject, and  not  personal  attacks  on  Linda's
 financial  situation.  So,  LAY  OFF!!!.  Linda  will  receive  a  copy  of
 the  tape  from  me,  because  she  is  a  Roadkiller  with  a  heart  of
 gold, and  I  take  care  of  those  Roadkiller's  who  in  my  time  of
 need  have  been  there  for  me.  We  are  all  brother's  and  sister's
 on  this  list, and  should  be  treated  as  such.

 George
  >>

Come on George, now you know  it dont take too much to set you off. :):):)
And, I'm with you on this one. I spoke many times with Linda online before I
met her in Atlantic City in April. When I finally did meet her she was a
sweetheart and in talking with her, I know she would have loved to have
traveled the country like I did this year, but her funds would not allow her
to. Whoever this JAN is, well, she's acting more like JAN BRADY and unlike JAN
A GRAND FUNK RAILROAD FAN. Ease up Jan.

Shock
Delaware's #1 Grand Funk Railroad Fan

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From: PEGASUSLIN@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:30:05 EST
Subject: Who is this person....

In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
 Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
 the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
 screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
 THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>

WOW.... just who is this person anyway???

Heartbreaker (Linda)

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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:21:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Who is this person....

Think people, think. Someone must have an idea who this bitter person is.
Look, I didn't even get to go to a show and neither did many other
Roadkillers and we are not acting like this. Look what happened to Swedish
Roadkillers. Did they cry and whine and moan. No! Damn it, they made the
best of it. And if some people who are friends of the band got to meet with
the band while other fans didn't, well so be it. THE BAND DECIDES WHO THEY
MEET AND WHEN!!!!! AND THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS!!!!! Certain people screwed
that PRIVILEGE up!
Many fans, who are not on Roadkill did and didn't get to meet and greet with
the band so I guess if all roadkillers got to do it all the time, that could
be considered unfair to the fan on the street?

PEGASUSLIN@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
>  Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
>  the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
>  screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
>  THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>
>
> WOW.... just who is this person anyway???
>
> Heartbreaker (Linda)

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From: MDM6001JAW@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 01:56:59 EST
Subject: Re: FS- Re: ratrape issue

In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the Grand
 Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers and
 the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
 screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
 THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year.

 !!JAN!!
  >>
  Wow,  you were at every show,  dang,  what a treat!  You must really know
the songs by now.  And from what I recall from a letter of yours a month or so
ago,
 now correct me if I am wrong,  did you not call Mr Mark Farner by a middle
name also.  I was surprised anyone remembered that name.
  And what are you refering to  about Stan and Tia, did people miss out on a
post show meet.  I didnt miss my two,  come to think of it  were you in
Orlando and Clearwater?  We might have meet.  And do you think any of the band
is upset with Stan and Tia for all of the antics you say they pulled?  And
what article in the mag.  my issue did not say any names.  Please fill me in,
I only get bits and pieces  I work
 2 jobs  so to keep my habit going,,,,,  the addiction to GFR.  They are the
reason I bought this computer.
                       Thanks for your help,
                        God Bless
                          Mean Jeanne Mistreater

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From: Leo4given@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:52:04 EST
Subject: RE: HFS tapes/t-shirts

Hey gang,
I don't appreciate being called a "freeloader" & "backstabber" just because I
was one of the idiots who contacted Don and asked for more details about the
tapes and t-shirts. I've been on the list for almost a year and love all the
great stuff we do as a community working together for the sake of GFR. But
somehow I honestly missed all the pleas to join in and help etc.  I agree that
Don should go through with the first generation of people who were in on the
original contributions so he doesn't have to recreate the wheel for myself and
others like me who would like to be included after the fact. Even if we had to
pay a little more or whatever rules the person who posted this mean spirited
reply might feel was right for us lowly morons. Man!!! Whatever happened to
love and kindness dude? What if you were a new person to this list.... would
you want to be a part of that kind of name-calling bunch?

Gary "He's Your Captain" Leonard
********************************************************
In a message dated 11/30/98 10:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

<< Everyone had their chances to get in on this . Those that didnt will
 just have to do without. To let people in on the deal now is a slap in
 the face to those members that put their trust in you up front when you
 asked for help. These other people are freeloaders.
 Probably the kind of people that write inflammatory letters to magazines
 after pretending to be someones friend to their face.
 Someone wrote a disco song about that called BACKSTABBERS. Was it Kool
 and the Gang?

SOME OF US ARE JUST NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
CONTRIBUTE.....some of us can barely afford to buy what we
need.....freeloaders my ass!!!!!!!

hEARTBREAKER >>

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From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:05:58 EST
Subject: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!

Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....ya'll KNOW who this person
is..read what he types and think....give ya a hint...awhile back he had
different internet names.....Hmmmmm and one name was.........got it now?

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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:31:50 EST
Subject: ratrape(mix) Terraap...Terrance Knaap.aka Terry Knight

In a message dated 12/1/98 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, TEXs308@aol.com
writes:

<< bj:   Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!
 Date:  12/1/98 10:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  TEXs308@aol.com
 Sender:        owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com
 Reply-to:      <A HREF="mailto:TEXs308@aol.com">TEXs308@aol.com</A>
 To:    Shock3082@aol.com, ratrape@hotmail.com, paces@widomaker.com, Grand-
funk@roadkill.com

 Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....ya'll KNOW who this person
 is..read what he types and think....give ya a hint...awhile back he had
 different internet names.....Hmmmmm and one name was.........got it now?

  >>
Check this out ratrape(mix this around) terraap...a.k.a.Terrance Knaap or
YTerry Knight. Does this guy think we are stupid??? Rick

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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:20:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!

Shock3082@aol.com wrote:

> ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Maybe this "RAT"rape is one of those people
> who push their way around to try and get what's good only for them. Yeah,
> that's the ticket, a trouble maker.>> Also the kind of person who gets people
to
> start pushing and shoving at a concert door to try to get in before anyone els
e
> even if it means some people get trampled.
>
> Stan & Tia are fine people who care about what is good for the fans and the
> band.
>
> Shock
> Delaware's #1 Stan & Tia Fan

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From: jmaijala1@juno.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:33:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Who is this person....

On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:30:05 EST PEGASUSLIN@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 11/30/98 10:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>ratrape@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I will apologize when Stan and Tia Pace apologize to all of the
>Grand
> Funk fans for their behavior regarding the after show get togethers
>and
> the letter to discoveries magazine. Half of you don't realize they
> screwed you out of after show pleasantries so they could take care of
>
> THEIRS. No they did not screw me. I was at every show this year. >>
>
>WOW.... just who is this person anyway???
>
>Heartbreaker (Linda)
>

OH BOY!!!!!!

Here we go again . . . . now, where did I put my asbestos suit.  I know
it will give me cancer, but at least I won't burn right now from all the
flame mail!!   (sniff, sniff)  do I detect the fragrant aroma of premium
racing fuel??  Anybody got a match??  Here, let me light that cigarette
for you . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

life is great!!

Jim's a good mans brother

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From: rjturner@optidynamic.com (Ron Turner)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:01:37 -0500
Subject: Re: FS- re:fs:re:ratrape issue

> give it up. these folks are blind with being a fan. they think everything
grand funk is good. they think mel sings. <

Mel did sing, or have you never see the GFR live at the L.A. Forum video?

No use telling you that since you deleted this, speaking of closed minds.

ron time turner

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From: SHOOT400MC@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:53:54 EST
Subject: Re: FS- re:fs:re:ratrape issue

In a message dated 12/1/98 11:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
blacklick@thedoghousemail.com writes:

<< just delete the rest and you won't miss a thing. rod >>

Not you again?!?!

Gary Eaton/..

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From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 98 15:14:48 PST
Subject: Re: Grand-funk-digest V2 #757

Steve,Donna, could you two update Roadkill on how things are going on the
Anthology? Such as Have they started on it,When do they expect a release,what
is the holdup!

Unikely to happen since they are not speaking to each other. Donna is upset beca
use Farner does not want her working on the web site.

Big John

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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:24:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Who is this person....

This person is someone who is pushing all the right buttons and getting a
lot of attention from us, so I am going to start with the delete button.
Bye Bye Jan. Peace
Spook$

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From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:28:51 EST
Subject: Fwd: Stan, DO NOT respond to this person....I will!

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Arrrrrrrrgghhhh i got pissed when i got this private e-mail....like i was
sayin earlier...ya'll KNOW who this is..i can't beleive hes up to his same ole
bullsh*T...WELL ANYWAY DONT ANYBODY..take this serious i just thought maybe
ya'll wanted to read it.....aint it ashame theres always a ^((^head that tries
to ruin it for all havin the time of their life!!

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>Ahhhhhhhhhh come on...think really really hard....

Yes my friend that is good advice. think not with your hearts but with
your head.  What do any of the internet fan club members really know
about each other as citizens? You see each other at the concerts in all
of your GFR glory.  But what do you really know about each other? I have
received much email telling me that you are a family and brothers and
the like. I received more email from citizens telling me that they are
more realistic about this club. That they know people are people many
good and many not so good. And many of them have told me about Stan and
Tia Pace. Also about Steve Lisuk and Donna Whiteman. I have learned much
about these people from YOU! I have also been told about people named
Parrett, Funkola, Claiborne, Drotten and many more. As I said I have
been to all of the shows. Well not exactly. I did miss a couple of them
last year. And I never said I was a fan.
It amazes me how many of you have no idea how the after show signings
work. And that you think the band thinks so highly of all of you. You
are just fans. And they appreciate that. But you are nothing more to
them. That is not an attack. Just the way entertainers are with their
fans. They allowed you in close because this was their last hurrah. But
it doesn't mean they want to socialize with you. Or that they sit at
home and think about you.
But that is not the issue. The issue is the backstabbers. People who
smile to your face and manipulate you behind your back. People who have
an agenda. People who lie. People who turn against you when they don't
get what they want. Backstabbers. Ask Steve about the backstabbers. Ask
Claiborne. Ask the GRand Funk entourage what they think of Sunny's book.
Think really hard.
!!JAN!!

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From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:16:03 EST
Subject: Bravo! Jan! Reality Check well overdue!!!

Terry Knight, Jan whoever you are it's time someone gave a reality check here
its well overdue!!!! Withdrawl Party in Dover Deleware????????Someone needs a
head count??????As the group Anthrax once said"Headcheck"
               Rick

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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:49:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: "Ratrape" issue

Hi all,

        Just for the record, this "ratrape" "person" is not subscribed
     to the "roadkill" grand-funk  list.   Evidently,  they  are  sub-
     scribed to Footstompers.

        The  messages  that you are seeing concerning this "issue" are
     coming from "roadkill" subscribers who are also on  Footstompers.
     These  folks  are  posting their replies on this "issue" to Foot-
     stompers and cross-posting them to the "roadkill" list as well.

        I would like to see this "discussion" stop on "roadkill."

        For those of you participating in this flame war on  Footstom-
     pers,  I  would  like to request that you STOP cross-posting your
     replies to "roadkill."  In fact, I would personally like  to  see
     ALL cross-posting stop unless it is specifically related to Grand
     ALL cross-posting stop unless it is specifically related to Grand
     Funk and their music.

        Thank you for your attention and  consideration.   Take  care,
     keep Shinin' On, and grok in fullness ...

Bill--

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From: WHIRLEGREG@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:29:03 EST
Subject: Re: grand-funk-digest V2 #762

bill
fyi neither ratrape or jan are subscribed to footstompers!  so i thought the
same as you that it was a cross posting glitch?  now im not sure??
take care
g

<<    Just for the record, this "ratrape" "person" is not subscribed
      to the "roadkill" grand-funk  list.   Evidently,  they  are  sub-
      scribed to Footstompers. >>

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From: John White <jdwhite@clarksdale.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:31:26 -0600
Subject: Re: FS- Re: Bravo! Jan! Reality Check well overdue!!!

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Just Questions Jan.

I am not Terry Knight. We did not even know anything about him until the

VH-ONE staff found him.---We who ???

 Your(RK) picture was taken down when we realized it was a
mostly just an overblown situation.-----Down from where?

It is a huge drag to see the backstabbers blow so much smoke up all of
the fans behinds.-----And what form would this SMOKE be in???


As for the rest of it, slander,name calling !  Not one FACT in the whole
lot.

You really  expect to come onlist with this crap,(but won't say what
your connection(if any)
to the band or crew is, and Make statements for Don and Mel as though
they are fact) and have us think
you are helping us. HA!!!HA!!

But best of all you want RK to be your mouthpiece!??? ROFLAO!!!!

Personaly Jan I don't give a flying F#$K if everyone you've mentioned
thus far is a selfish backstabbing whatever!!  I got to see GFR play
again this year six times, meet Mark twice, Mel once,and Don and Sunny
numerous times. The meet & Greets were icing, not the main point!!!


Why not just state who you are and how you fit in!!!!????
Secrecy just breeds contemp!!

John White

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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:41:14 -0600
Subject: Footstompers

I can't figure out why Funkola doesn't give this Jan, the boot. Some of
us got run off for much less.    Peace
Spook

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This is the first posting to "roadkill" by !!JAN!!

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From: "Jan Harmon" <ratrape@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:19:49 PST
Subject: The truth about betrayal

!!Good Morning Vietnam!!

Let us smoke those tunnel rats out and rape them.

Have I got some news for you? Of course, many of you good people
maintain closed minds and are blinded to all things real.

If that previous sentence rubbed you the wrong way my children, then you
have just identified yourself as being one of them.

Where did I get this news? Much of it came from emails and phone calls I
have shared with some of you over the past several days. The same 2 to 3
names kept popping up in these wonderful conversations. Thanks to all of
you for being so open and sharing. It was a great pleasure to see that
so many of you good people are disgruntled with the present chain of
power within The Grand Funk Railroad Fan Club. You exhibit many of the
same youthful qualities that our mentors Mark, Don and Mel did when they
spoke out against the war, big brother and pollution.

Have you ever heard of Steven Lisuk? Of course you have, if you have
been around more than a few weeks. He is the exuberantly stoic fellow
who has provided all of us with so much information about Grand Funk
Railroad's doings the past many months. He has been our friend and has
treated all of us with professionalism and respect.

He and Donna Wightman worked on the official GFR site together. He
provided most of the info and she made it pretty. When it came time to
develop Mark Farner's solo site she felt slighted. Farner trusted Steven
and felt comfortable with him. Donna began feeling like a fifth wheel.
Her friendship with Sunny was not paying off like she had dreamed. So
she began to blame Steven. It was now Steven's fault that Donna was not
the first to get the hot off of the press info. It was Steven's fault
that Farner wanted him to work on his solo site. Donna never realized
that the reason she was being slighted was because she could not be
depended on. Not that she wasn't willing. She just had a little trouble
with the responsibility that came along with the position. In a
nutshell, she liked to talk too much. Not to everybody, but to her
trusted friends. At least that is what she thought. The fact that I know
this info shows her friends could not be trusted. Read the previous
sentence please. Stanly Pace was the worst of the crowd. He repeated
everything with boyish vigor. All too eager to impress upon his fellow
citizens what he knew. "Look at me, I know the band!" He would exclaim.
He is the one who told me about Steven and Donna's falling out.
Discontent within the GFR Fan Club. What shall we ever do?

But Stanly was not the only one who had loose lips. A certain Texican
named 'No Lies' wiggles his lips up and down much too frequently also. I
got second hand verification of Stanly's saga from him. Golly gee Donna.
Who are going tell next? And you are worried about Steven telling people
and making you look bad? You seem to be doing okay on your own
girlfriend. Below is one of her friend's emails to me. Notice how
hysterical she is. It is the same quality that caused Donna to tell her
version of the story to so many people. Also notice the off hand insult
to Steven, verifying yet again what Donna really thinks of him. After
all, Francois could only have gotten this impression from her fellow
citizen Donna.


>From grandfunkette@yahoo.com Fri Dec  4 07:22:31 1998
>Message-ID: <19981204152552.2061.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com>
>Received: from [171.133.216.5] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 04 Dec
1998 07:25:52 PST
>Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:25:52 -0800 (PST)
>From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
>To: ratrape@hotmail.com
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>ratrape@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>>What do any of the internet fan club members really know about each
>other as citizens?<<
>
>A heck of a lot more than you seem to know about us.  Many of us have
>become life long friends.  Just because some of us *met* via the GFR
>fanclub, doesn't mean we don't have more in common.  I've developed
>many wonderful friends on this list.
>
>>>I received more email from citizens...many of them have told me
>about Stan and Tia Pace. Also about Steve Lisuk and Donna Whiteman.<<
>
>Watch it, bimbo, those are fightin' words!  You obviously don't know
>what you're talking about.  Donna Wightman has been my best friend for
>10 years.  You don't have a clue about her.  She's the kindest, most
>gentle-spirited woman I've ever known.  As are Stan and Tina Pace very
>generous-hearted people.  [I'll give you Lisuk, though.]  But listen,
>you really need to reconsider your position here.  You're not making
>too many friends.
>
>>>I have been to all of the shows...well not exactly<<
>
>Oh really?  Then why don't we know who you are?  Why don't you reveal
>your identity?  How can you *possibly* expect anyone to believe a word
>you say when you're such a coward?  NO CREDIBILITY WITHOUT IDENTITY!!!
>
>>>you think the band thinks so highly of all of you...you are nothing
>more to them...it doesn't mean they want to socialize with you. Or
>that they sit at
>home and think about you.<<
>
>You're a flippin' butthead, you know that?  Why would you want to be
>so intentionally hurtful?  And YOU'VE got a lot of nerve pointing
>fingers about people being phony...you won't even reveal yourself!
>
>>>Ask Steve about the backstabbers. Ask Claiborne. Ask the Grand Funk
>entourage what they think of Sunny's
>book.<<
>
>Okay...who should I say sent me, !!JAN!, the self-appointed Keeper of
>Roadkill Reality?  Why don't you take your ugliness somewhere else.
>You're not welcome here.
>
>Look@FranneRunRun
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

Her references to "Who am I " are so silly. I am Jan Harmon. I have
never hid that from any of my mails. This is yet another example of the
idiotic arrogance that some of the club members display. You never heard
of me so I can't possibly be who I say I am? You mean you know all of
the citizens associated with Grand Funk and all of the various friends?
I am very impressed! Surprise Francois! Like you I have developed some
friends within the Internet fan club myself. And they don't seem to
think much of you and your elite friends who look down on others at the
shows. But you have lost that opportunity because there will be no more
shows. Alas, the music has ended. But only for a fleeting moment as Mark
Frederick tunes his guitar and prepares to rock.

What will you do Donna now that you no longer have an 'in' with the band
through Sunny? Since there will be no band and Farner hath forsaken you.
What will you do Stanly now that your friends know your lips are loose
and that your integrity is questionable?

I ask you fellow fan reading this email. If you received some timely
info from Mel or Mark would you tell Stanly in hopes that he would keep
it to himself? Would you befriend Sunny in hopes of it leading to
something more? Other, less patriotic ones, have done these things.

No doubt some of you will come online and vent your childish anger
towards poor !!JAN!!, the lowly messenger. But others will read these
words of truth and reevaluate their view of some of their "brothers and
sisters."

But don't be too hasty my dear comrades. Much more is to come.

!!JAN!!

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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:33:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Hi all,

        Sorry  about  this getting through.  I've unsubscribed him and
     will look into ways of blocking his posts.

Bill.

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From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:36:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Hi all,

        Since  this  "Jan/ratrape"  person  wants  to  talk  about the
     "truth," I thought I should bring one of his *lies* to  your  at-
     tention.

        In  that  last e-mail, he claims to be who he says he is:  Jan
     Harmon.  But,  if you look through his mail headers closely,  and
     do  a  little research as some of us have done, you will find out
     that he is using hotmail -- a free e-mail service  that  requires
     no  authentication  to  use,  just a Web browser.  And, he is not
     sending his mail directly from his Internet service provider  ac-
     count  because  that would tell us exactly where he is  and allow
     us to identify him very quickly.

        Instead, the truth is that "Jan/ratrape" is using a proxy ser-
     vice  that  allows him to use a Web browser (and, by association)
     to send mail anonymously.  You may have heard  some  of  us  talk
     about "cookies" in the recent voting discussion.  A cookie allows
     the server to query your computer to find out who you are.   This
     service that "Jan/ratrape" is using doesn't allow the cookies (or
     other identifying techniques) to be used  thus  allowing  you  to
     surf (and send mail from hotmail) anonymously.  The whole purpose
     of this service (http://lpwa.com:8000/) is  to  allow  people  to
     surf  the  Web  without having to worry about anyone knowing that
     you've been to their site.

        So, you can see, the truth that "Jan/ratrape" wants you to see
     is  his  version  of the truth because he doesn't want anybody to
     know who he really is.  He hides behind his "wall" with the  sole
     purpose  of causing bickering and dissension among all of us here
     on the mailing list.  It has come to my  attention  that  one  or
     more  of  you  out there among the subscribers to "roadkill" know
     who this "person" really is.  To those of you who do I  can  only
     suggest  that as long as we allow him to stay in the shadows like
     he does, the more he will taunt and bully us  into  more  arguing
     and bickering to the point that we will not know who to trust.  I
     can promise you that once his real identity is brought  out  into
     the light of day, we will have no more problems from him.

        Until  we know who this hate-monger really is, I would like to
     suggest that you not reply to his e-mail or include  his  address
     in any reply to anybody else.

        Again, I apologize for this intrusion and hope that we can get
     through this and get it over with quickly.

Bill Parrette.

------------------------------

From: youngbloods <youngbloods@windsong.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:39:20 +0000
Subject: Bill's reply

Hi Roadkillers,
    I'm in complete agreement with Bill on this "Jan" thing.  We have
only been on the list for a few weeks but I've read more crap than I
care to.  It's like being back in Jr. High or watching a soap opera, for
heaven sake!  No one that my husband and I have meet at any of the 4
concerts we were able to make this year have been or even seem to be as#
holes.  Even though we had just meet, everyone was very nice to us.  We
were so excited to just get away from our home and do something
together, that going to see GFR was like icing on a cake!  Even if we
had never got to meet them (Mark, Don, and Mel) we were completely
satisfied.  To me, meeting them was like wining the lottery!!   I don't
know who this "Jan" person is and frankly I don't give a d#*#.  Sounds
like a Jealous, disgruntled, ex-employee!  Look out, he/she may go
postal!  Well I'm going to shut up now, don't want to feed that fire.
It's beneth me!  Let's all have a great and Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year!!     Hey, and kept those votes a coming!!  I some how got to
vote 2 times today!
            Gina

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From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:38:51 -0700
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Sorry Bill,
  But i disagree   this is an open forum....  I think you should let it
ride and let those who read decide... sounds like a statement about motor
cycle helmets doesn;t it.... let those  who ride decide....  just personal
opinion... we all need to take the good with the bad..  and alas... the
truth is   not ALL people are above the table on there dealings....  so
like i say  let those who read decide.......  thats all....  great job you
have done... we met in sioux city... Merry Christmas to you and your
family this fine holiday season....
Pat

William A. Parrette wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>         Sorry  about  this getting through.  I've unsubscribed him and
>      will look into ways of blocking his posts.
>
> Bill.

------------------------------

From: ZiggZagg00@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:47:50 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

  I agree with pat...let it ride! I don't know if this stuff that Jan is
talking about
is true or not.....This is all about GFRR!!! Hell, were all tough, I don't
think
anyone is sleeping on eggshells on this list.

                                                     Jim W

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From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\" Sardinas" <energy@icanect.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:22:34 -0500
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Bill,

I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages - it would
be UNAMERICAN.

If what this person writes is not true then why should we have any fear!

Al "Got This Fish On The Move"

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From: cjls@webtv.net (Celinda Shafer)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:54:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Bill is trying

Hi Everyone,
I think what Bill is saying is if this person will not say who they are,
except the name Jan  and where the info is coming from it is just
causing the list trouble. Most of us know a bit about each other and I
am not ashamed to say I live in Elkhart Indiana and some of you have my
phone number. Thats because I am not saying things from a email address
that you can not tell who I am. I have met Donna and Steve and Stan and
Tia, plus many other fine people on this list.
I was subjected to some of this same nasty stuff after St. Joe show. No
matter what list we send to Stan, it still goes to Mr. Kuch and Sunny
and they decide who will meet and who will not meet the band.
So getting mad at Stan or Donna or anyone else like the preshow
coordinator is just not going to get you anywhere. The final choice is
MR KUCH.  So if you want to talk about these fine people who have gave
their time for those of us who are not working for the band, maybe next
year they wil not even help us at all. I for one
am proud to have met DONNA and  Steve and Bill and Stan and everyone
else who has been there helping us with our get togethers for the GFR
shows.
Celinda Shafer

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From: "Ted D. Scurlock" <scurlock@cig.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:05:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Bill is trying

HERE!!  HERE!!  Well said, true, and to the point!!  I met these fine
folks at St. Joe myself.  I was new to the list, but I was treated as an
old friend.  The work that all of them have put in have made our GFR
experience just that much more satisfying.

Stop the bashing, enjoy what you have, and savor the moment.

No, I didn't get to meet the guys at either of the shows I attended, and
truly didn't expect to.  However, Sunny did go out of here way to get a
picture signed, and then had to find me in the crowd to deliver it.

Donna, Steve, Stan, and Tia have done an excellent job and  not to leave
out Bill P. who has given us this list.  Keep up the fantastic work, and
don't let childish opinions affect you.

Ted D. Scurlock

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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:18:50 -0600
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Normally, I would say let people speak and delete it if you disagree but in
this case it is obviously meant for malicious purposes only. This person is
not "speaking their mind" but only trying to create chaos. I'll have to go
with Bill on this one. Block him!

Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot

>  I agree with pat...let it ride! I don't know if this stuff that Jan is
>talking about
>is true or not.....This is all about GFRR!!! Hell, were all tough, I don't
>think
>anyone is sleeping on eggshells on this list.
>
>                                                     Jim W
------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:24:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

> I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages -
it would
> be UNAMERICAN.

I am new and a lurker by heart. I regret my first mail is not about
Grand Funk.

For many years I worked in the records dept. of the ACLU before I
retired. From my experience it bothers me when someone tries to stop
the flow of information. It gives me cause for suspicion. Frequently,
with enough time, a hidden agenda is revealed.

I say let all speak their piece.

For me to remain silent on this issue would have been a disservice to
my entire career.

My apologies,

Ben

------------------------------

From: "Ralph J Landry" <landry@clarksdale.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:59:22 -0600
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal

This saddens me for a number of reasons.  While I do agree this is an open
forum there is a reason for this forum existing and that is GFR.  We are all
different people, come from different backgrounds and have different
opinions, AS IT SHOULD BE.  If someone has a problem with actions another on
this list has taken it should be handled via private email.  If the
situation is serious enough and it should be brought to the attention of the
whole list then fine, post to the whole list.  What should be posted should
explain to everyone here what the situation is.  This should be done with
facts and with facts people can make an informed descision.  PERSONAL
ATTACKS ARE NOT WELCOME.  This is supposed to be a cicilized society in
which we live.  We are not a bunch of politicians.  Once this becomes
nothing more than name calling the intellect goes and emotions run high.  So
whoever you are,  if you have a real complaint tells us the specifics and
then we will be able to make up our own minds.  If not, then you cannot
expect RK as a group to take you seriously.
>Ralph (Save the Land)ry

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From: "Jan Harmon" <ratrape@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:47:13 PST
Subject: Please Don't Worry!

Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts. Still
using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those who
seek the truth.
I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who are
you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been told it
has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
action. Why doust thou try now?

!!JAN!!

------------------------------

From: TEXs308@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:42:10 EST
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal

Ok.....<putting on Phychiatrist hat>....This "Jan" person is one insane
person, now he's starting to cut down others, trying to divide list <aint
gonna happen> the way i see it is he wants or wanted to be involved with GFR
big time, but never could  really get going..first of all look at what he
writes ANYBODY thats been close to the band he slams! he claims he's been to
almost every show gfr put on..(NOT)....thats his way of makin us think he's in
with the band in some way...he's in deguise (spell check)...he has aol so why
not use AOL's e-mail service..because he knows we'll find his true idenity!!
the guy is a wanta be....in texas slang (a sorry ass looser). hes the type
that once he's been done wrong, he'll do anything to hurt the ones he thinks
has a close relationship with Grand Funk. and Jan i know your readin this  but
you got to understand Donna's site was choosin to be the Official GRAND FUNK
RAILROAD site..(nan nan nanana na). So live with it or find another list to
bother. This is suppose to be a place to talk about America's favorite band,
not list to condem others for the great things YOU wish you coulda done and
got a "thata boy" from Mark, Don & Mel. one more thing i could tell you more
on the phone if ya wanta talk about it???  but then again i guess if you did
let anyone call you they'd know who you really was. Last thing this is to the
true GFR fans...have ya'll voted for mark today!!
<A HREF="http://www.iguitar.com/Surveys/details.asp">Vintage Guitar iGuitar
Mall - Survey</A> :))

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From: "Oktay Rasizade" <rasizade@cntc.dubna.su>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:44:06 +0300
Subject: Soap Opera (was The truth about betrayal)

Santa Barbara. The quiet beautiful place in California. Who could imagine
that such a terrible things and passions are possible in this paradise. Is
it really possible ? Not of course, because it is nothing else than soap
opera. It all were invented by scriptwriters to make the serial interesting
to watch year after year.

I'm sure that many of us read all this balderdash written by so called
!!JAN!! with great interest, with more interest than other posts. Why ?
Because other posts are so ordinary, usual prosaic matters of supporting
Grand Funk, friendship and so on. Can you make the blockbuster from such
matters ? Not of course. But take bloody aliens invading to destroy the
earth. Or take usual human misunderstanding or feelings, multiply it by 10,
add couple of murders, dozen betrayal and very unhappy love, car crash and
loss of memory, lost children and parents. Don't forget some hatred, some
destruction also is good. Well, mix it, add well known names (it makes it
even more interesting ). Then you get the soap opera, thing that some
Roadkillers like to be continued. Because it is so breath-taking. And it is
not about you, why to worry ? It is just soap opera. Though about real
persons.

From Russia with Grand Funk  >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/
      We salute you ! >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/oktay/

"Mark said" Oktay  Rasizade and his funkcat  Mr."Black Licorice" Murzik.
Dubna ( you can visit our town  www.dubna.ru/eng/Dubna ) , Russia.

------------------------------

From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 12:11:38 PST
Subject: Jans story

Like it or not there is something to what Jan is saying. Here are two emails I g
ot from Donna Wightman which somewhat collaborate Jan's story.

Keep in mind she told me this stuff without ever having spoken to me before. Muc
h less ever having met me. But she spilled her guts on the whole thing. So just
how many people is she bad-mouthing Steve too?

And she contradicts herself within her own email. Not to mention claiming she ne
ver even wanted to work on Farner's solo site. Puuhhhleeeeseee!!
- -------------------

>Message-ID: <004001be1e2b$4eeaf2c0$ad59ffd0@donnadw>
>From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
>To: <suntzu@joymail.com>
>Subject: Who are you?
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:38:12 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
>Content-Type: text
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>
>I would like to know how you knew that Steve and I had a falling out? This
>is not common knowledge, and I did not want it posted publically because I
>felt this could divide Roadkill.
>
>Also, I would like to know who told you that this falling out was over Mark
>not wanting me to work on his site. This part is a lie and I feel I have the
>right to know who is spreading untrue rumors about me.
>
>I was asked by Steve Lisuk to create Mark's web site for him. I even started
>a demo at www.meclec.com/mark I found out soon after I started this project
>that Steve was being dishonest with me, and so I told him that I could no
>longer work with him. I don't think Mark even knew that Steve asked me to
>work on the site. Steve never allowed me to have any direct contact with
>Mark. All communications had to go through him, even the fan mail. I didn't
>even want to work on the site in the first place, Steve talked me into it.
>
>
>

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Message-ID: <002701be1e58$49d7fe40$25332599@donnadw>
>From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
>To: <suntzu@joymail.com>
>Subject: Re: Who are you?
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:00:11 -0800
>X-Priority: 3
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>
>>I will not tell you who since I do not betray people who put their trust in
>me.
>
>
>Thank you for replying. I would never expect you to be disloyal to a friend.
>
>>Anyway I did not even bring it up and I did not flame anyone. I have never
>even met >any of you. But I exchange private email with many old timers on
>roadkill. It just struck >me as funny knowing what I know and I responded to
>a question. All of the posturing >and positioning on roadkill is ridiculous.
>
>
>I agree and have done my best to stay away from the competitions for status.
>I have been fortunate in that Don and Sunny took me under their wing (so to
>speak) and I was given some recognition by them. I am a very private person
>(hence my being a computer programmer) and have always been uncomfortable in
>the spotlight. I have always looked at my position with the band as a
>responsibility instead of some sort of glory that some people think it is.
>After show meet and greets were a nightmare for me because I knew that the
>responsibility of having to choose who can go in and who stays out may be
>put on my shouldars, and it did several times. I always thought I tried to
>be fair, but I know some people didn't think I was, especially those who I
>may have left out.
>
>>Maybe you should tell people your side, they have a right to know. Saying
>Steve was >dishonest with you isn't providing anymore info than that Jan guy
>making his claims >about Stan. I don't compare you to him. Just purely meant
>as an example.
>
>
>I know what you are saying here, but I really just wanted Steve to leave me
>alone and leave it at that. He didn't hurt anyone else as far as I know, so
>I didn't think it really mattered that everyone know what he did to me. I
>dealt with him myself and that was that.
>
>I am finding out that more people knew about this than I wanted to know. I
>should realize how people gossip, and all it takes is to tell one person and
>the word is out. The only reason I e-mailed you was because I was curious to
>know how the story got turned around the way it did. I guess I wanted to
>know if Steve was telling lies about me (which I don't think he would) but I
>am at a point now where I don't know who is telling the truth anymore and
>who I can trust. Maybe I should take Fox Mulder's advice and trust no one.
>
>Thank you again for giving me the info that you could.
>
>Donna
>

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From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:36:31 -0600
Subject: Re: Jans story

>Like it or not there is something to what Jan is saying. Here are two
emails I got from >Donna Wightman which somewhat collaborate Jan's story.

This is getting ridiculous. SHUT UP! IF Donna really did send you these
e-mails, you are beneath contempt for copying them to the list. I, for one,
want to talk about Grand Funk with people of like mind and I really don't
care about your personal vendettas. TAKE IT OFF LIST!!

Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot

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From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:20:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!

Block the troublemaker!

~Look@FranneRunRun



- ---Jan Harmon <ratrape@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts.
Still
> using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those
who
> seek the truth.
> I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
> determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
> Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
> silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who
are
> you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been
told it
> has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
> action. Why doust thou try now?
>
> !!JAN!!
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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From: "PC Firework`s" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:08:24 +0100
Subject: ratrape@hotmail.com  & suntzu@joymail.com

- -Well I dont you will here from those two gentlemen  for a couple hours,It  de
pends on howe good in "games" they are... I have just sent them a kina computer-
virus that spit up their pc-screens in sevral pieces.

ratrape@hotmail.com  mr Jan
suntzu@joymail.com

- -So If you guys read this let it be a Warning I got some more heavy "fireworks
 for inside PC cards  , We Swedes are a bit tired about all this crap you bring
into this area stories like yours belongs into weekly female magazines !

- -Thats all boys ,
Grand Funk Scandinavian Style !
RailRoos

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From: John Diller <jdiller@usa.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:44:09
Subject: That jerk

Sorry about the subject line but it's how I feel.

I try not to jump in when Bill askes us not to, but enough is enough.

If this "Jan" character would say anything about GFR then it might be different.
  All I've seen are personal attacks and hate by the truckload.  Also it seems t
hat this person is going out of their way to hack into this list despite Bill's
efforts to keep him out.  That seems down right unfriendly to me.

Bill made it plain, after an ugly incident earlier this year, that personal atta
cks have no place on this list.

Personally, I feel that ALL of us who are here because of a love of GFR and thei
r music owe Donna, Bill, the Pace's, and everyone else who's gone above and beyo
nd the call of duty a major thank-you.

It's going to take way more than the ravings of one hacker to change my mind abo
ut things around here.

Roadkiller

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From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:14:10 -0600
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

Fordelmos' place wrote:

> Sorry Bill,
>   But i disagree   this is an open forum....  I think you should let it
> ride and let those who read decide...

Hi all. Glad to be back for a couple of days. I just had to get back on as
soon as possible. Gotta have my Funk.
I don't want to beat a dead horse but I gotta disagree with Pat on this and
agree with Bill. This Jan person seems to have only one thing in mind.
Destroying this list.
If people want to hear this garbage they can do it by private email. This just
feeds this jerk.
Also, I don't want to rile anyone but Pat seems to agree with Jan a lot. Pat,
do you know something you are not telling? It is your right to agree with this
person just as it is our right to disagree. I am in no way, shape or form,
connecting you with this Jan person. I am only curious as to why you have the
opinions you do. Write back onlist or off. I am anxious to hear from you. I
love a healthy debate.
Peace
Spook

------------------------------

From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:30:22 -0600
Subject: betrayal

One more point. another reason I think that this Jan should be banned
from the list is that the posts are self serving and vengeful. I have
been on this list for a year and I think I can now tell who is
trustworthy and who is not. This Jan is not. Jans only purpose and goal
is to destroy this list. Who knows why. Maybe with the list gone it
makes the possibility of GFR getting back together even slimmer. Hell,
if you think that GFR is dead then what are you doing here? And Jan is
trying to get us to believe that Mark has only used Roadkill for his own
personal gain and really doesn't like the fans. Well if that were true,
I don't want to know nor do I care. I only know the joy and pleasure and
sense of conscious that GFR has given me all these years. Peace
Spook

------------------------------

From: Crim081858@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:30:34 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal

I would like to add my voice to those who support Bill P. on this issue. Jan's
posts should be blocked if possible. Roadkiller Diller hit the nail on the
head in pointing out that what Jan is doing has nothing to do with Grand Funk,
and personal attacks have no place on this list. Funkin Fish had a very good
idea in that Jan and Suntzu should start their own forum and invite whoever is
interested to join them for discussions on this unsavory topic. We need to get
back to the subject of Grand Funk Railroad and letter writing campaigns in
support of the anthology and catalogue release. We need to create interest in
the release of GSGP the way Stan Pace recommends. If we get into a free for
all over a bunch of mud slinging, we're just going to get bogged down. Let's
get on with the music!

Firebird (The one and only)

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:04:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!

Hi all,

        Well,  I  guess  I'm glad to hear that Jan has no quarrel with
     me.  The "why" of it  is  simple:   rule  number  12)  Occasional
     flames are expected, insults and threats will not be allowed.

        FWIW,  Jan  knew  he/she  had been unsubscribed -- he/she men-
     tioned my "efforts" in his/her note.  However, I did not  receive
     any bounced messages from his/her account from an attempt to post
     to the list -- he/she simply subscribed again.  Since Jan knew of
     my actions without attempting to post to the list, there are only
     two possibilities:

        1) Jan is subscribed to the list  under  another  account  and
           monitoring the list-activity from there, participating as a
           regular list member; or ...

        2) Some other list-member is working with Jan and passing  him
           information from the activity on list.

        Either  way,  this anonymous name calling, hate-mongering, and
     flaming is disgusting to me and I want it to stop.  This has gone
     way past occasional.

        What  disturbs  me  is that, despite what he/she says, his/her
     name is not Jan Harmon.  If it was, he/she would have no need  to
     hide  behind the anonymous proxy server.  Even more disturbing is
     the idea that he/she may be one of our regular members.  Obvious-
     ly,  since  he  has  to  hide, you have to realize that he/she is
     afraid of something and that fear is one of the  things  that  is
     driving  his/her  personal  agenda  on-list.   In addition to the
     fear, the anonymity also indicates some  anger  that,  as  others
     have  mentioned,  is probably due to his/her not being recognized
     by the band or its management in some way.  This is sad.

        Personally, if I had an issue with Stan or Donna, I would talk
     to  them  about  it off-list.  If I could not resolve it, I would
     not communicate with them any more.  Under no circumstances would
     I  belittle  or berate them on-list to try to get other people to
     dislike them as well.  That would be less  than  high-school-ish,
     it would be childish.

        Unfortunately,  no  matter what I do, this will probably go on
     for a while.  There are just to many e-mail services and too many
     choices  for  account names -- it's just the current state of the
     'Net.  But, I will do what I have to do, as often as I have to do
     it to keep this tripe off-list.

        BTW,  I  reserve  the  right  to be childish one time on-list.
     When I find out who this Jan person really is, I will post it  to
     the list.

Bill Parrette.

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:11:25 EST
Subject: The truth about betrayal (drnolies)(Please Read) If you want to....

In a message dated 12/14/98 12:37:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
drnolies@yahoo.com writes:

<<
 > I'm also in agreement with JIm and Pat. Don't block any messages -
 it would
 > be UNAMERICAN.

 I am new and a lurker by heart. I regret my first mail is not about
 Grand Funk.

 For many years I worked in the records dept. of the ACLU before I
 retired. From my experience it bothers me when someone tries to stop
 the flow of information. It gives me cause for suspicion. Frequently,
 with enough time, a hidden agenda is revealed.

 I say let all speak their piece.

 For me to remain silent on this issue would have been a disservice to
 my entire career.

 My apologies,

 Ben >>
I agree with this wholehearthedly, I got slammed for trying to pass on
truthful information..and I got crucified...everybody got all over me....I
didnt mind people speaking there peace. it was just the way people get there
information....most of it thru he said ...she said...crap...Lets let him (JAN)
speak his peace...lets get it from the horses mouth..(What would Mark say
about trying to close the mouth of the American people) I think you all know
the answer to that>>>>>.. Let him speak his peace and let us all make up our
own minds...Donna did rub me the wrong way at first but i forgive and
forget...I think Donna is a decent person...noones gonna change my mind as to
how I look at her...Stan Pace...I met Stan and Tia in Westbury they seemed
very nice to me...nothings gonna change the way I look at them...ask anyone
who knows me Im not a vindictive person...I just feel he has the right to
speak his peace....he might want to word it a little better thats all...I for
one believe some of the stuff he says about the band and all...and Terry
Claiborne who was deeply hurt about his site being destroyed and his daughter
being humiliated...that was the straw the camels back and now Terry is no
longer with us...One of the most determined and focused Fans I've ever
met...(but then again theres RickDC : )....(That stuff) Jan is saying is true
wheter you all want to hear it or not....There are alot of vindictive people
out there...Terry ...who really did that to him?????...maybe someone who was
jealous of his site being kick ass...It could 've been alot of people....Terry
and his innocent daughter were the victims there...Am I making myself
clear...we all need to sit back and just let it ride people who want to
respond to him can people who dont want to dont have to....Im hope Im not
making anyone angry for writing this...Im just speaking my mind and true
feelings.....Oh and Steve...Im not even going to go there....   Rick
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/9455/">Rick K's Grand
Funk Site</A>
P.S. Remember to check my site out....

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From: GChrist725@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:36:29 EST
Subject: Re: Jans story

  Jumping on the band wagon huh. You too didn't reveal your name. Sounds like
Donna responded very responsibly. So get your facts straight before you get
involved with this thing. Or are you the same person.
   Be careful with this stuff because it's only going to get worse.

  FUNK ON
George(and these are the days of our lives)Christopher

------------------------------

From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:01:09 -0800
Subject: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't

If I don't say anything in my defense, then some of you will think these
lies are true. At least if I tell my side of the story, then everyone can at
least have enough information to make up their own minds. Those of you who
know me, know the truth. Those of you who don't, may believe me or not. That
is your choice and I cannot control that, but at least you will have heard
my side.

Sometime this past summer, Steve Lisuk asked me to work on Mark's web site
for him (I still have all his e-mails to me in case anyone wants proof). I
declined at first because I was just too busy, and I was concerned about how
Don and Sunny might feel about it - I did not want to offend or upset them.
I may have a big mouth, but at least I try to be loyal to those I love.

Steve finally talked me into working on it so I created a demo and came up
with some ideas (it is still up at http://www.meclec.com/mark/ ). At one
point I even told Steve that I did not want any credit, but wanted to remain
anonymous.

Soon afterward this Steve said and did some things that offended and shocked
me. I told him that I did not want to work with him any longer, and that I
felt our differences were such that they could not be reconciled. It was my
decision to end the relationship, and to relinquish working on Mark's web
site. So you can see how untrue those rumors were. It always amazes me how
people can hear something and then change it so drastically.

I've never had any ambitions, or any expectations when it came to GFR. I
have always been thankful for everything that I have been fortunate enough
to receive from them. I am a musician myself, and a singer/songwriter. I
have been writing songs and playing guitar since I was 14 years old. It has
been my lifelong dream to make it in the music business, and to make
records. When I met the band, and became friends with Don and Sunny, many of
my musician friends think I am crazy to not take advantage of this
opportunity. But, I have never even given a demo tape to any of the band
members, or to any of the music business contacts I have made through GFR,
because I didn't think it was right to use my friendship with the band for
my own personal agenda. I just cannot use other people, even if it means
sacrificing my own dreams.
(My other projects are at http://www.meclec.com/donna )

I am being accused of things that others are guilty of. Jan is either
getting his information through bad gossip, or is intentionally making up
lies about me to cover up someone else's guilt. Yes, I did confide in a few
close friends about my falling out with Steve, but only because I was so
very hurt and I needed someone to talk to about it. It's ironic, but Jan is
actually going to hurt Steve by forcing me to tell the whole story of what
really happened.

In the last 3 1/2 years, my web site has been sabotaged, I have been
attacked privately and publicly, I have been lied to, used and betrayed.
This is not the first attempt to humiliate me and make me go away, but I
have always refused to get involved in these politics and power struggles. I
compete only with myself, and my creativeness is fueled by inspiration. I
don't resent others that are more talented than me, or more fortunate, I
admire them and look to them as mentors. Any true artist knows that
bitterness, jealousy and resentment stifles creativity.

I have been close to giving up so many times (and today is one of them.)
Do you all know the reason why I haven't? It is because of you, the fans.
The fan club is the one thing that has kept me going through thick and thin.
I know none of us are perfect, we are all flawed human beings. I accept my
friends for who they are, and I believe that they accept and love me despite
my faults. There is always two sides to every story, and the truth lies
somewhere in between, and because of this I do not like to throw stones at
others. I am the first to admit that my sins are many. The one thing I
cannot tolerate are people with blind ambition, people who don't think twice
about stepping on others, or hurting others, people who take credit and
exploit other's talent because they are so full of darkness that they don't
possess any of their own.

I started my little web site out as a tribute to my husband's favorite band.
It was and has always been a labor of love. Whenever I think about quitting,
someone comes along and tells me how much they appreciate my hard work.
These are the things that keep me going. The responsibility at times is so
heavy I can hardly bear it. I have worked on it literally hundreds of times
when I just didn't feel like doing it anymore. Ask my husband how many
nights (including weeknights) I stay up until 2, 3 or 4 in the morning and
then get up and go to work the next day. Ask people on this list how many
times I have been sick in the last 3 years because I run myself down
physically with lack of sleep. I wanted GFR to have one of the best web
sites on the Internet, and I have worked myself sick to try and achieve it.

I find it very hard and very unpleasant to have to defend myself in this
way, I keep thinking how unfair this is, and I keep asking myself who would
want to hurt me this bad? I don't understand what I have done to make
someone so angry at me and to want to destroy me and the work I have done
for the band. Jan will not reveal his identity, but his hatred at least
gives me a clue.

Bill, do not block Jan's letters on my account. Al and Pat are right, this
should remain an open forum and no one should be censured. I believe in
freedom of speech even at the cost of people believing lies, because I know
that the truth always come out eventually. In the bible it says "By their
fruits ye shall know them." So, if you are to judge me, then judge me by my
fruits, not by rumors or gossip.

Thank you all for listening,
Donna Wightman

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Stebek@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:03:14 EST
Subject: Oh no ..trouble again

                Hey Roadkillers........I see trouble has been a-brewin here
again........we have seen it in the past and had become pretty good at
ignoring it because we pretty much knew the scource and just laughed it
off..........let's do it again!
                Think about it......trouble coming from free e-mail
sources....sources that you can't trace....a brilliant plan.....he is working
hard on this one.......a lot of thought is going into this scheme also. It is
appreciated too! I've been pi$$ing my pants laughing while reading some of
this stuff!

                 C'mon gang......no replies is the way to go on this one!

                                         Screw em!

Now to the real thing:

                Here is to Sunny! Hope you are doing well!

                                             Steve Bekeritis

------------------------------

From: Quasarn01@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:58:04 EST
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!

In a message dated 12/14/98 1:48:13 PM Central Standard Time,
ratrape@hotmail.com writes:

> Because I am still here despite fellow citizen William's efforts. Still
>  using the same email address and still with much to pass on to those who
>  seek the truth.
>  I bet many of our comrades have been on the telephone trying to
>  determine who betrayed who. Or possibly denying who betrayed who.
>  Mr. William Parrette I have no quarrel with you but I will not be
>  silenced. Why do you not want your underlings to know the truth. Who are
>  you trying to protect. Surely not the list itself as I have been told it
>  has been under attack many times through the years and you took no
>  action. Why doust thou try now?
>
>  !!JAN!!

You know?  I'm about sick and tired of your idiotic bull$#it...  I don't even
care what goes on behind the scenes with whom ever wants to have it go on
with...  Why don't you just shut the #ell up and go on about your damn
business and let us enjoy talking and hearing about the group we are supposed
to be here talking about anyway...

I don't post too often here and when I do, it's because I feel I have
something important to share with other fellow ROADKILLERS on this list...  I
love reading about all the stories and the excitement shared by all of those
on this list and I could give a rat's @ss about who snips who or why it is
even an issue...  The main objective here is to talk and share ideas and
moments about OUR BOYS, MARK, DON, and MEL...  And I truly feel that just
about everyone here on this list feels the same way as I do...  Some RK'ers
post more than others, some post moderately, and then there are those like me,
probably the majority, who are mostly silent and listen and learn and share
what they read within their own hearts about OUR American Band, GRAND FUNK
RAILROAD...

So why don't you just buzz off and let us go back into our little world of
harmony so we can enjoy dashing home from work or sneaking out of bed in the
middle of the night just to read what others have posted about GFR...

Donna, stay golden...  And Fran and Bill and William and everyone else who are
members of this list, Merry Christmas to all of you...  And Merry Christmas to
you, Mark, Don, and Mel....  And for you JAN, bite my ever-loving @ss and go
back to the slime hole that you squirmed out of and leave us the hell alone...

P.S.  There...  I feel better now...!!!!

"I Want Freedom" Michael

------------------------------

From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:44:57 -0600
Subject: Sorry, but it has to be said.

Rick K,please read. All others be advised of non GFR content.

Well why is this person trying to undermine the list? How do you know
that this isn't the very same person who nailed Terry's site or was
harassing Breimann till he left?How do you know that this isn't the
person who set you up? He admitted that he knew you weren't the
stalker.And why is this person hiding behind a wall? Where is the proof?

I'm sorry Rick, I have defended you before but I think you are mistaken
on this one, brother.

------------------------------

From: SHOOT400MC@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:38:17 EST
Subject: Re: The Truth About Betrayal

In a message dated 12/14/98 3:04:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, TEXs308@aol.com
writes:

<< This "Jan" person is one insane
 person, now he's starting to cut down others, trying to divide list >>

If he insists on calling Stan Pace, "Stanley," why don't we all call him
"Janice" from now on?  Just a thought.

Gary Eaton/..

------------------------------

From: RICKDC@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:26:46 EST
Subject: Re: The truth about betrayal (drnolies)(Please Read) If you want to....

I think this is an interesting debate, Free speech or not. Well, I for one
normally like free speech, but this is Bill's list and I will try and follow
the rules that Bill set's up. I responded to Jan on Footstompers before,
because Bill did not want it on RK. I say let Bill decide and we should live
by whatever decision Bill makes. But I would say its probably impossible to
stop anyone from writing to the list. All they have to do is get a different
e-mail whenever they want to say something.

Also there are some rules on RK, one is not to personally attack anyone; so it
would be nice if we all followed that rule. I think Another rule should be
that no one should copy others e-mail to the list. It's just such a violation
of someone's privacy and talk about betrayal. It seems that the one talking
about betrayal is in fact betraying his friends on the list.

Jan, you seem to have allot of anger, your so mad at Stan and Tia, because you
say they stopped people from meeting the band, but in fact the band could have
stopped meet and greets all together. It was Sunny that convinced the powers
that be to at least let 20 or so RKer's get to meet the band at most shows. So
instead of being angry at Stan and Tia we should thank them for helping many
of to get to meet the band. I feel the all GFR own's us is a good show, when
we buy a ticket. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. I never though I would
meet the band and I am grateful that I got the chance, but even if I did not
meet the band, GFR's reunion has been a dream come true to me and I will never
forget it.

You also seem to be mad at Donna; why because Donna and Steve had a falling
out? If they did why is that any of our business. I for one Like both Donna
and Steve and If they are having any problem, I hope they work it out between
themselves. It's not my Business. And why should that anger you anyway. I
think we should respect the privacy of both Donna and Steve.

And your Mad at Robert Garrett, this one-you got me, I can't ever figure this
one out. Let's see, Robert organized the Hall of Fame signature collection
with franne. OK so maybe this gets you mad, you don't what GFR in the Hall of
Fame?????  OK I got it Robert went to like 15 concert's. That's got to piss
off....no that don't make any sense either. Oh well I give up, I can't figure
this one out.

Jan, I'm not gonna slam you.  It seems to me, your mad at people who have
tried to do allot for GFR and or are fairly close to Sunny and Don. Are you
Jealous of there relationship's? Also you seem to be making a huge deal out of
a little gossip. Someone Gossip's to you and you say they betrayed, but aren't
you doing the same thing? And who has not gossip at least a little, man, I
know I have. Jan aren't you gossiping by writing these e-mails?


Way off topic.
Now to the ACLU guy, where the hell are the ACLU when the FBI want's every
cash transaction of over $200 reported? Where are you all when every
conservative pac is being harassed by the IRS? Where are you on roving Wire
Taps? Where are you when two thugs from Arkansas are fingering through 900
plus peoples FBI files? Where are you on the Satellite system that monitors
all electronic communications in the USA? Where are you when US customs is
intercepting packages in Canada from one Canadian to another? Man every week
Clinton singes another presidential order that suspends the US constitution in
some way. And why aren't you out trying to stop their IRS from there Guilty to
proven Innocent policy? And Where are you stopping the Rico Statues that do
the same thing ? (and even let the Govt. take someone's property without due
process). I think you got bigger fish to fry than worrying about free speech
on Bill's list; and besides Its Bill's list, he is King hear, sorry Its not a
democracy. We are losing our freedoms daily in the USA and your worried about
freedom of speech on a private chat forum. Anyway SORRY I'm Getting carried
away, I am just very disheartened at what is becoming of our freedoms in the
USA.

Rick K
Rick, your right, that it was bad what someone did to Terry's site, but terry
told me personally who he believed it was and It's no one presently on the
Roadkill. So why bring this up now, like we gonna smoke out the culprit, that
person is long gone. So it does not follow, and now Jan's attacks on Robert
Garrett, Stan, Tia and Donna make no sense. Rick it seems to me this guy Jan,
is just Jealous that some people have a closer relationship to Don and Sunny
they he or she does. Just one fan's opinions.

Rick Cappetto

<A HREF="http://www.iguitar.com/Surveys/underrated.asp">PS. Don't forget to
Vote for Mark.</A>

------------------------------

From: DEWs308@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:38:38 EST
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't

In a message dated 12/14/98 6:46:44 PM Central Standard Time, donna@meclec.com
writes:

<< If I don't say anything in my defense, then some of you will think these
 lies are true. At least if I tell my side of the story, then everyone can at
 least have enough information to make up their own minds. Those of you who
 know me, know the truth.  >>
YOU GO GIRL......I may not know you <except via internet>....but I do ADMIRE
and RESPECT YOU:)
Thankfully most of us Roadkill Fans are INTELLEGENT enough to see PROPAGANA
when some little minded person puts it out.....

<<<CENSORED>>>>> read on at your on risk...lol

AND.............OFF LIST....
JAN,  I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT YOU HAD A REAL GOOD REASON for picking the name
"Ratrape".....cause your nuttin more than a 'LITTLE PRICK"  I find it so
amusing how folks pick names that represent them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.....................ROFLMAO..................................................
..................
And unlike you I REFUSE to give out the PEOPLES NAMES THAT PASSED ON THAT TID
BIT OF INFO TO ME :)~
 nanannanananannnn

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:25:51 EST
Subject: Re: Sorry, but it has to be said.

In a message dated 12/14/98 8:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
spook7@marshallnet.com writes:

<<
 Well why is this person trying to undermine the list? How do you know
 that this isn't the very same person who nailed Terry's site or was
 harassing Breimann till he left?How do you know that this isn't the
 person who set you up? He admitted that he knew you weren't the
 stalker.And why is this person hiding behind a wall? Where is the proof?

 I'm sorry Rick, I have defended you before but I think you are mistaken
 on this one, brother.
  >>
I must say this is a very good point and it very well can be but noone knows
...like I said its alot of he said she said and thats where the problems
lie...I respect your opinion...you speak what you feel and thats how it should
be....everyone speak how they feel...If we all put fake smiles on and lie to
each other we are only living a lie and pretending to be agreeing isnt
right...I try to speak my mind but people just ad lib and one person tells
another than another than another etc...and by the time it gets to the end its
a totally different story..Thats what it is all about though.....But everyone
need to be openminded...and not believe everthing everyone says....theres alot
of people blowing smoke up everyones behind ...like Jan said...this is where I
agree with him... Rick

------------------------------

From: Shock3082@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:33:52 EST
Subject: Re: Please Don't Worry!....I see the bottom feeders are back!

Hey, Jan we know the truth! The truth is you just wanna muddy up the waters,
distort the truth, and outright lie. ...Hey gang I just figured out that Jan
is really Bill Clinton in disguise. Or, could it be Hillary?

Slither back to the bottom of the tank now. You it enjoy it so.

Love
Shock
Delaware's #1 ________________________. Well fill in the blank here, I know
you just cant resist. .....Come on now....dont wait......hurry up....I know
you wont leave me alone, it just not in you to do that.

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:52:26 EST
Subject: Re: Oh no ..trouble again Everyone read!!!!!(Unfunkenbelievable)

In a message dated 12/14/98 7:45:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stebek@aol.com
writes:

<<
                 Hey Roadkillers........I see trouble has been a-brewin here
 again........we have seen it in the past and had become pretty good at
 ignoring it because we pretty much knew the scource and just laughed it
 off..........let's do it again!
                 Think about it......trouble coming from free e-mail
 sources....sources that you can't trace....a brilliant plan.....he is working
 hard on this one.......a lot of thought is going into this scheme also. It is
 appreciated too! I've been pi$$ing my pants laughing while reading some of
 this stuff!

                  C'mon gang......no replies is the way to go on this one!

                                          Screw em!
  >>
This is my point on people reading more into things,
    Who do you think he is referring to....dah !!!! Just because I agree with
a couple of things Jan says...C'mon see this is a perfect example of how
people are so taken in and believe everything they read...If you believe
Steves post more power to you...Im PI$$ING my pants that this guy can even
think this!!!! Steve you are way off here man...But I enjoy your enlightment
on the subject....Free forum thats what its all about...just speaking my
peace.....Rick

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:14:45 EST
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't(please Read)

In a message dated 12/14/98 7:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, donna@meclec.com
writes:

<<  It always amazes me how
 people can hear something and then change it so drastically. >>

Thats what Ive been saying....
              its so ludicrious its sickening...I was the "Stalker"remember?
just because someone said that and it just exploded.....I even forget who said
it......and alot of people still believe that.....Its funny in a way me the
"Big Scary Stalker...Look out here I come...(LOL)
Donna noone is gonna corrupt my mind as to how I feel about you....as with
probably alot of others on the list I appreciate what you've done and dont
give up...that is not the answer....But everyone does have their own right and
belief...you just cannot let it corrupt your mind Everyone needs to take
whatever they hear with a grain of salt....
Rick

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:31:14 EST
Subject: Re: response to Rick DC

In a message dated 12/14/98 10:30:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, RKeiderlin
writes:

<<
 In a message dated 12/14/98 8:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, RICKDC writes:

 <<
  Rick K
  Rick, your right, that it was bad what someone did to Terry's site, but
terry told me personally who he believed it was and It's no one presently on
the Roadkill. So why bring this up now, like we gonna smoke out the culprit,
that person is long gone. So it does not follow, and now Jan's attacks on
Robert Garrett, Stan, Tia and Donna make no sense. Rick it seems to me this
guy Jan, is just Jealous that some people have a closer relationship to Don
and Sunny they he or she does. Just one fan's opinions.

  Rick Cappetto
   >>
 Yes true but Terry wasn't exactly sure it was this person...he actually
narrowed it down to 3 people and 2 of them are  off list...He's not exactly
sure (he said) he only had an idea of who he thought it was....Who knows..
Like (I said) alot  of he said she said...noone has any concrete proof even
with JAN....just my opinion....Rick K >>

------------------------------

From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 21: 9:11 PST
Subject: You want facts?

As someone said before - R.Kiederling was not the guy who stalked Don and Sunny'
s house.

Donna and others mistakenly accused him of it. Hey, it was likely an honest mist
ake.

But when Donna found out it was not R.Kiederling, Wayne Coker who did it, She ne
ver came forward and corrected her mistake. That is about as dishonest and gutle
ss an act as any human could have done. To deliberately let someone suffer throu
gh what R.K. did because of a personal grudge is unforgivable. She left him out
hanging. Donna the sweet, kind, caring person let an innocent go to the gallows.

I am not defending R.K. He has likely done some stupid stuff. But he DID NOT do
that and she knew it. Yea, you are a real lady.

I personally don't believe a word she is saying about Steve Lisuk. HE is the cla
ss act here by avoiding this whole diatribe. Donna hasn't been able to keep her
mouth shut and she is playing many of you for suckers.

And besides if Steve is dishonest do you think Farner would keep him under his w
ing. I think not! Farner is a stand up man. Period!

What a bunch of intercoursing lemmings some of you are.

JOHN ROCKWOOD

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From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:24:17 -800
Subject: Re: Someone's Gonna Blow A Gasket

I am a Democrat sir and I know where I stand on many things. I personally consid
er
it very immature of you to contribute to what is already an out of control situa
tion.
Your comment was no better than any of Jan's. Yet I noticed you criticized him
for his views. Your use of foul language is probably not appreciated by some
also I would venture.

Sincerely,

Seil


>  Hey Brother Rick K. You're so damn busy agreeing with everything and
>everybody, you better watch it buddy or your gonna blow a fuse.
>  You're just like a liberal Democrat, Don't know where the hell you stand
on
>anything.
>
>  FUNK ON
>George(Don't like either political party)Christopher
>

------------------------------

From: RKeiderlin@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:21:56 EST
Subject: Re: You want facts?

In a message dated 12/15/98 12:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
suntzu@joymail.com writes:

<< As someone said before - R.Kiederling was not the guy who stalked Don and
Sunny's house.
  >>
I havent been to Florida since 1987...this is getting good..Oh by the way I
did hear about the Wayne Coker thing...I just chalked it up to Wayne trying to
get autographs and photos...I dont think Wayne meant any harm ...but he
shouldnt have asked Don to autograph the photos the neighbor gave him...(so I
heard) I dont know if it is true...its only hearsay so noone take it as
gospel.........I knew about the Wayne Coker thing...but Im not gonna put
someone out to fry for something I dont know the facts about....just to redeem
myself...for something I didnt do..the truth always comes out in the
end....But lets not all fire on Wayne Ive traded him stuff and wayne seems to
me to be a straight forward and very nice guy.... Rick

------------------------------

From: "J Collins" <jtcoll@sprynet.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:02:53 -0600
Subject: Re: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't

Just wanted to add my voice to Donna's support. Donna has done a wonderful
job on the official site. I know from the experience of setting up and
running my own site (although it pales in comparison to Donna's) that it is
much more time consuming and hard work than most people can ever imagine.
You only do it because you love it and then to have some sick individual try
to tear that down is very hard to take. Donna, don't let this person win.
There are at least 300 of us and 1 of them. We appreciate everything you
have done and as far as I'm concerned, whatever happened between you and
Steve is your business and not mine or anyone else's.

Yours in the Funk,
Jim (HookedOnFunk) Collins
http://depot.simplenet.com
Grand Funk Win95 Desktop Depot

------------------------------

From: "Michael Catalano" <catalanomi@ul.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 7:34:17 EST
Subject: Roadkilled

'Been through alot with many of you right from the very beginning.  It's
been great.....but I've  had it.  Digest number 803 was the end for me.
For those of you that want or need to get in touch, you know where to reach
me.

Mick CatManEast

------------------------------

From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:16:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: You want facts?

- ---suntzu@joymail.com [JOHN ROCKWOOD] wrote:

>>I personally don't believe a word [Donna] is saying about Steve
Lisuk.<<

It doesn't matter what you believe, you don't know Donna, and you
don't know the facts.

>>What a bunch of intercoursing lemmings some of you are<<

You would appear to have some pretty boilerplate psychoses, pal.
Wanna talk about 'em?  Call 1-800-F0CK-0FF.

~fm

------------------------------

From: Leo Bartoli <ljb@pwshift.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:48:17 -0500
Subject: RE: Donna's fruit

Donna Wightman wrote:

> In the bible it says "By their fruits ye shall know them." So, if you are to
judge me, then judge me by
> my fruits, not by rumors or gossip.
>
>
Thank you. I feel I must take you up on it.

> From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:01:09 -0800
> Subject: I'm damned if I do, and I'm damned if I don't
>
>
> ....Sometime this past summer, Steve Lisuk asked me to work on Mark's web
site
> for him (I still have all his e-mails to me in case anyone wants proof). I
> declined at first because I was just too busy, and I was concerned about how
> Don and Sunny might feel about it - I did not want to offend or upset them.
> I may have a big mouth,
>
"When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise"
 Pr 10:19

>but at least I try to be loyal to those I love.
>
"My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show
favoritism."   Ja 2:1


> Steve finally talked me into working on it so I created a demo and came up
> with some ideas (it is still up at http://www.meclec.com/mark/ ). At one
> point I even told Steve that I did not want any credit, but wanted to remain
> anonymous.
>
"Remind the people ...to be ready to do whatever is good, ... and to show true
humility toward all men."
Tit 3:2


When I met the band, and became friends with Don and Sunny, many of
> my musician friends think I am crazy to not take advantage of this
> opportunity. But, I have never even given a demo tape to any of the band
> members, or to any of the music business contacts I have made through GFR,
> because I didn't think it was right to use my friendship with the band for
> my own personal agenda. I just cannot use other people, even if it means
> sacrificing my own dreams.
>
"If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing." (Jesus) Jn 8:54


> (My other projects are at http://www.meclec.com/donna )
>
"Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."  1Co 1:31


> I am being accused of things that others are guilty of. Jan is either
> getting his information through bad gossip, or is intentionally making up
> lies about me to cover up someone else's guilt. Yes, I did confide in a few
> close friends about my falling out with Steve, but only because I was so
> very hurt and I needed someone to talk to about it.
>
"Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up
in due time.  Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you." 1 Pe 5:6


 It's ironic, but Jan is
> actually going to hurt Steve by forcing me to tell the whole story of what
> really happened.
>
"Be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves"  Mat 10:16


> In the last 3 1/2 years, my web site has been sabotaged, I have been
> attacked privately and publicly, I have been lied to, used and betrayed.
> This is not the first attempt to humiliate me and make me go away, but I
> have always refused to get involved in these politics and power struggles. I
> compete only with myself, and my creativeness is fueled by inspiration. I
> don't resent others that are more talented than me, or more fortunate, I
> admire them and look to them as mentors. Any true artist knows that
> bitterness, jealousy and resentment stifles creativity.
>
> I have been close to giving up so many times (and today is one of them.)
> Do you all know the reason why I haven't? It is because of you, the fans.
>
"...They boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage."
Jude 1:16


> The fan club is the one thing that has kept me going through thick and thin.
> I know none of us are perfect, we are all flawed human beings. I accept my
> friends for who they are, and I believe that they accept and love me despite
> my faults.
>
"...For if you love only those who love you, what reward will you have?  Do not
even the tax collectors do the same thing?  And if you salute only your
brothers, what is it more that you do?  Do not even the tax collectors do the
same thing?  Therefore become perfect, just as your heavenly father is
perfect."
Mt 5:46


 The one thing I
> cannot tolerate are people with blind ambition, people who don't think twice
> about stepping on others, or hurting others, people who take credit and
> exploit other's talent because they are so full of darkness that they don't
> possess any of their own.
>
"Why do you see the splinter which is in your brother's eye, and do not feel
the beam which is in your own eye?  First take out the beam from your own eye,
and then you will see clearly to get out the splinter from your brother's eye."
 Mt 7:3,5


> I find it very hard and very unpleasant to have to defend myself in this
> way, I keep thinking how unfair this is,
>
"...Or those eighteen upon whom the tower in Shiloha fell, and it killed them;
do you think that they were greater sinners than all the other people who lived
in Jerusalem?  No!, but I say to you that unless you repent, you too will all
perish."  Lk 13:4


S/Leo, who knows not the facts and therefore takes no sides.

------------------------------

From: Leo Bartoli <ljb@pwshift.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: RE: your post/Off-topic

On Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:44 PM, Donna Wightman
[SMTP:donna@meclec.com] wrote:
>
> I just wanted to let you know that your post hurt me very deeply.
>
Never my intent Donna.  I hope that you may find strength in yourself.

S/Leo

"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret,
but worldly sorrow brings death."  2 Co 7:10

------------------------------

From: "Donna Wightman" <donna@meclec.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:00:45 -0800
Subject: To my friends:

This will be my last post to Roadkill. I felt that I owed it to my friends
to say goodbye. I appreciate all the love and support I have received from
all of you and I am thankful for the many friendships that I have made here.
I hope someday to be able to look back on this time and only remember the
good.

I know many of you want me to continue, but the persecution, pain and
suffering I have endured in the last 3 days is just too great a price to ask
of anyone. I believe there is a purpose for everything, even if we do not
understand it at the time. I feel as though my heart is being ripped out of
me, but I know that it is time for me to move on.

I wish you all and GFR the best. I know you will get them into the Hall of
Fame, and when that day comes I will smile and remember when.

Yours truly,
Donna Wightman

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:38:51 -0800
Subject: what's up?

What's up?

I go away for a couple of months and come back to being in the middle of
who knows what.  I've only started to wade through several hundred e-mails,
and I don't believe what I'm reading!  What happened to the happy family
atmosphere that was going on?

I see that there is some truth/rumors going on about Donna (and I) and the
GFR website.  I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred
towards Donna, Stan, or anybody.  To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna.  What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to
me.  I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever again.
I will not force myself on anybody.

I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not give their
personal info to anybody, I don't.  I have passed phone numbers to him from
people that have requested that I do, but I can't control who he choses to
call.

Mark has been the target of ugly rumors himself, lately, and will respond
in the next few days on his website.  Why are these things happening?  Is
this all coming from the underlying hysteria of the national outrage that
is meant to divide the people of this nation, and detract attention while
the dark forces solidify their foothold on our historic morallity?
Remember, we are all brothers and sisters working toward our goal to reach
the higher plane.  Life is too short to worry about petty prejudices and
who does, or doesn't, do what.  None of us are perfect; it is only human to
waver, and evaluate the challenges that are presented to us each day.  It
is how we answer those challenges, and learn from our experiences that
leads to the rewards promised by our Lord.

What have I been doing?  I have started working for a new health care
organization, and working hard with the local Boy Scout organization in
raising money for their summer youth projects.  Working with my children,
in their pursuits, is my first love.  Teaching them the love of our
Saviour, honesty, to respect other people, good morals, and the rewards of
hard work is a joy that my wife, Carol, and I both share.

Grand Funk is great, but is only meant as entertainment.  It is part of the
careers of M,D,&M only.  I have been putting together a small,
informational website for Mark that will provide info, and updates, on his
career.  We are also beginning to work on a more extensive site that will
be up at a future date.

If I somehow miss a reply to a personal e-mail from anyone.  Please let me
know later in the week.  I am only now getting to responding to several
weeks worth of backed up mail!

Peace to all, and God bless,

Steve Lisuk

PS. Donna and Allen, our love for you remains undiminished.

------------------------------

From: Lauren Hall <lahall1@Mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:02:11 +0000
Subject: OK RAT RAPE JAN!-CAUTION-HARD R RATING! and slightly off topic

SORRY GANG I HAVE HAD IT,THIS S.O.B.IS REALLY TEARING US APART!
DEAR RATRAPE JAN,SHIT FOR BRAIN'S,OR WHATEVER YOU ARE?(TAKE YOUR PICK)
I AM NOT A TOTAL IDIOT,OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SITE FOR THAT MATTER,
IF YOU ARE SO DAMN SURE OF YOURSELF AND YOUR STATEMENT'S
WHY HIDE?SO MUCH HOT AIR?SMELL'S LIKE FART IN A HIGH WIND TO ME!

READ MY ADDRESS,THIS IS REAL!READ MY NAME-RONNIE HALL-aka-LITTLE JOHNNY HOOKER
WANT TO KNOW WHERE I LIVE?JUST ASK-WANT MY PHONE NUMBER?JUST ASK!

I AM A TRUE DIE HARD GFRR FAN,AND SO IS EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS LIST!
NO I DO NOT LIKE THE BEATLE'S,NOR THE ROLLING STONE'S-SO WHAT?

IF YOU HAVE THE BALL'S TO MAKE THESE STATEMENT'S ABOUT OUR FRIEND'S
WHY DO YOU HIDE,BEAT AROUND THE BUSH,AND TRY TO START RUMOR'S,AND
TWIST FACT'S TO CREATE FICTION!
I PERSONALLY THINK YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOU!

IF I HAD A REAL BEEF WITH SOMEONE IT WOULD BE A COLD DAY IN HELL
IF I DID NOT STAND UP LIKE A(MAN)AND CONFRONT THIS PERSON FACE TO FACE!

BUT LIKE I SAID ONLY A MAN-NOT A LITTLE WHINING PISS ANT-IF THE SHOE FIT'S-
I CALL A SPADE A SPADE,I DON'T BEAT AROUND THE BUSH!

OLD CHINESE PROVERB:IF YOU ARE AN IDIOT-IT IS BETTER TO KEEP ONES MOUTH
SHUT!RATHER THAN TO OPEN IT AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!

SO PUT UP YOUR STATEMENT'S AND YOUR REAL IDENTITY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!

LIKE I SAID IF IT'S THE TRUTH YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!
IF YOU CAN VERIFY YOUR STATEMENT'S DO SO!
IF YOU ARE TO MUCH OF A PISS ANT,PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME!
I WON'T LET THESE BULLIES ON THIS SITE HURT YOUR LITTLE PECKER HEAD!
i already know your answer but remember this
A -MAN -IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORD,AND SO FAR YOU HAVE PROVEN
TO BE THE SO CALLED BACKSTABBER AND DECEIVER-SO SHIT OR GET OF THE POT!

I GOTTA GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR ONE THING THOUGH-
YOU'RE ABOUT AS SLICK AS CLINTON'S CIGAR!

                                                LITTLE JOHNNY DA HOOKER

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:52:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: ...

Where do I start ...

        Well, Jan Harmon, a.k.a. ratrape, a.k.a. ... Are you happy?

        I  know you're here.  Even though I unsubscribed you, and even
     though I blocked you from posting to the list ... I  know  you're
     here and you must be just tickled with yourself right now.

        You  did  what  you intended to do: you got Donna to leave the
     list, maybe more.  The "Cat" brothers are gone -- both  Phil  and
     Mick  unsubscribed  today.  Lyman is leaving, several others have
     left without saying a word.  It isn't a mass-exodus yet but I bet
     you're  just  thrilled  with the pain, suffering, and sorrow that
     you created here.

        I guess the rest of you now know why Footstompers was created.

        Would  someone  please  explain to me why I shouldn't turn the
     "moderated" option on?  Would some  one  please  tell  me  why  I
     shouldn't  enable  the "subscription verification" option?  Would
     someone please give me a reason for leaving this list up at  all?

        I  can't  remember  when  I've been so sad and mad at the same
     time.

        The wide majority of you told me that you wanted to keep  this
     as an open forum where subscribers could freely exchange thoughts
     and ideas that were hopefully related to our common  interest  in
     Grand Funk Railroad.  I tried to follow the majority's wishes.

        And what do we get for this freedom?

        Lies,  unsubstantiated  allegations,  hate,  arguments,  flame
     wars, name calling, and too much more.  I gave you the freedom to
     interact  with others as adults.  But, it seems that some want to
     bicker, argue, lie, and hate like children -- some of them hiding
     behind the proxies and firewalls and other anonymous tools of the
     Internet.

        Why should I let this continue?  Is there really a good reason
     to  allow  anybody  to  come in and inflict pain and sorrow on my
     friends? ...  where anybody can argue and bicker like a yard full
     of children?

        I'll  tell  you  folks, I've got a lot to think about here ...
     some decisions to make ... and I am not in a good mood right  now
     ...

Bill Parrette
wap@parrette.net

------------------------------

From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:30:34 -0700
Subject: ROCK FIGHT..........

To all the roadkillers..and some dumb ass name Jan......
  Earlier i posted a email saying that   we should allow an open forum
and to let the people speak...  While this is true in most cases,  i
don;t believe it should  be used by someone to attack others and there
credibility...anytime we as a group open an email and no matter who its
addressed to   if its a flamer we are all affected and it disrupts the
balance that so many of us enjoy in life.  I in know way condone the
actions of this Jan guy....  First of all folks this is an email
sight..... not reality... not your real life...  it is to be expected on
line... there are no rules of engagment and no one to police the
ranks...We as participants know and knew it when we turned our little
computers on....I personally have met some of the people on the attack
list,  I personally can say that i enjoyed there company and that they
are ALL heartwarming people... people with feelings and emotions....
people who are genuinly concerned about others and what goes on with
this sight...To those and all that follow  I say hold on... don;t
run.... walk ...  Jan will get tired of following...  He only gets
satisfaction when he gets a rise out of some one... so... don;t play the
game....Don't even acknowledge the son of a bitch...  let him fade a way
like old jeans...I have seen names of people who i don;t know, leave the
site, but apparently others hold in high regard.. to those i must say i
am sorry that you have lost your friends that you like to share with...
but ... some of you have there email addresses and maybe when this pin
head is gone you can get them to come back..  I for one am grateful for
this sight and the web site that Donna created... with out you all   I
would have never seen the "boys" this year..  I was honored to see them
twice this year including the final show....  Thanks to you all that
made this forum possible..  Thank you Donna for the enjoyment you have
given me and my few off line friends with the GFR web site...And thank
you Bill for providing me a place to post this...  DON'T LOOSE YOUR
FOCUS OR YOUR BALANCE.....This Jan fellow is like an insect bite...
annoying but it too will pass.....like bad gas....we should all be
talking about the person we ALL  hold in high regard... Sunny  and Don
and  her surgery..... God Bless you Sunny,  I hope all is well with you
now..  Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year....  Thanks to you and Don
for all that you have given the road killers.....It is greatly
apprieciated by all.....
Ass for you Jan... please go bother the marino fans.....
From the heart....
Merry Christmas to all and a Happy New Year....
Pat
P.S.  Donna please reconsider your actions..... Your wanted and
needed......   :-)

------------------------------

From: "Oktay Rasizade" <rasizade@cntc.dubna.su>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:46:32 +0300
Subject: I choose freedom

Hi Bill !

As was said once, Democracy  is not very good order, but other orders are
much worser. There is moderated GFR list already, why we need another one ?
Why we need someone above us to controle us, we are sheeps or what ? Why we
cannot rule in Roadkill using the power of people? People do you like
dictatorship ? We have to solve our problems ourselves. First at all there
are people among us who trust each other. I think it is sufficient to
improve things . It takes time, but history shows that quick and strong
solutions are not the best ones. I choose freedom.

BTW ratrape came from FS list, which is moderated and what ? May be freedom
cause some problems, but I like it.

From Russia with Grand Funk  >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/
      We salute you ! >> http://gfr.enjoy.ru/oktay/

------------------------------

From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: what's up?

- ---steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net> wrote:
>>I go away for a couple of months...<<

Oh, did you really?  Then how did you know to zip back on list about
twenty seconds after Donna decided to bag it?  Co-inky-dink!?

>>I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred towards
Donna...To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna.<<

Perhaps you need your memory refreshed?  Steve, as you know, Donna and
I have been great friends for over 10 years.  She confided in me
months ago about her feelings regarding the way you always seem to be
manipulating her, etc.  I knew about you before I even joined this
list!  And, I have read all your mail to her...So you may be fooling
some of the people, but you're not fooling me.

>>What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to me.<<

Oh, yeah, RIGHT!!!  Let's start with your trip to the Greek Theatre in
LA in August.  You asked Donna and Allen to LIE TO YOUR WIFE about
Donna riding down there with you.  What the hell was that all about?

>>I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever
again.<<

Why don't you go back and read the chronology in all the letters you
sent her.  You'll find all the answers you seek there.

>>I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not
give their personal info to anybody, I don't.  I have passed phone
numbers to him from people that have requested that I do, but I can't
control who he choses to call.<<

Are you trying to imply that Donna wanted you to get Mark to call her,
and you did your part!?  You know very well that *you* begged Donna to
work on Mark's website with you (I saw the e-mail, pal, you admittedly
don't know what you're doing) and tried to convince her that Mark knew
all about it...yeah, yeah, yeah.  You were trying to get her to do the
work and get Mark to think you were the brains.  Yeah, ppphhhh.

Okay, I have a lot more to say, but I'm just out of energy for this
crap.  Your turn!  Come on you guys, I'm sure I'm gonna hear it now.  :)

~Franne

------------------------------

From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: what's up?

- ---steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net> wrote:
>>I go away for a couple of months...<<

Oh, did you really?  Then how did you know to zip back on list about
twenty seconds after Donna decided to bag it?  Co-inky-dink!?

>>I want people to know that I have no malice, or hatred towards
Donna...To this day, I do not know how I
offended/hurt Donna.<<

Perhaps you need your memory refreshed?  Steve, as you know, Donna and
I have been great friends for over 10 years.  She confided in me
months ago about her feelings regarding the way you always seem to be
manipulating her, etc.  I knew about you before I even joined this
list!  And, I have read all your mail to her...So you may be fooling
some of the people, but you're not fooling me.

>>What she thinks I lied to her about, is unknown to me.<<

Oh, yeah, RIGHT!!!  Let's start with your trip to the Greek Theatre in
LA in August.  You asked Donna and Allen to LIE TO YOUR WIFE about
Donna riding down there with you.  What the hell was that all about?

>>I tried to get an answer, but was told not to contact her ever
again.<<

Why don't you go back and read the chronology in all the letters you
sent her.  You'll find all the answers you seek there.

>>I have known Mark for over 30 years; if a person tells me to not
give their personal info to anybody, I don't.  I have passed phone
numbers to him from people that have requested that I do, but I can't
control who he choses to call.<<

Are you trying to imply that Donna wanted you to get Mark to call her,
and you did your part!?  You know very well that *you* begged Donna to
work on Mark's website with you (I saw the e-mail, pal, you admittedly
don't know what you're doing) and tried to convince her that Mark knew
all about it...yeah, yeah, yeah.  You were trying to get her to do the
work and get Mark to think you were the brains.  Yeah, ppphhhh.

Okay, I have a lot more to say, but I'm just out of energy for this
crap.  Your turn!  Come on you guys, I'm sure I'm gonna hear it now.  :)

~Franne

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:12:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: please take action

Mr. Parrette it appears you have removed some of the trouble makers
and I applaud you for it. I wish you would consider removing Franne
also as her post have been very inflammatory. Even before the last
one. She was upset because of Jan's post, but hers are no different.

Ben

PS: I am still hoping this list will turn into a Grand Funk list.
There seem to be some very decent people here who are afraid to stick
their heads out. But Mostly I see nothing but crudeness.

------------------------------

From: Franne Larie Michaud <grandfunkette@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:02:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: please take action

Well, I suppose you're partially right: I was upset and therefore
'very inflammatory'.  And I do apologize to anyone who was offended by
my passion. I realize many of you don't believe this belongs on the
list.  However, my reply was made public because the blatant attempt
to discredit Donna and illicit pity was public.  Donna wasn't here to
defend herself, so I felt it incumbent upon me to reveal the truth.
If I was mad about it as I went about it, sobeit.

FYI, Loose Lips, a few slight differences you fail to note betwen my
posts and Jan's:  I'm willing to reveal my identity; my opinions are
based on actual-factual knowledge; some list members are interested in
what I have to say.

~Franne

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:10:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: please take action

In response to your last note.

I do not know if everyone wants to hear what you have to say or not. I
will take your word that you speak for all.

Whether or not you have revealedd your identity to me is pointless.
Franne is simply a name like any other. I do not know who you are.

But your statement about revealing factual knowledge is hollow. Your
remarks are no more supported by facts or evidence than the other
persons. If I am to believe you then I shall also be compelled to
believe Jan. He offers as much evidence as you do. Which is none that
I can see.

From my short time here I have seen you do everything you attacked the
other person for doing. Your behavior is no different. You stated you
wanted Jan blocked. Then you proceed to act just like him. It seems
you have much in common with him. There are startling similarities in
your emails. Perhaps your mind is small. Like a grain of sand. And
therefore you cannot see them.

Ben

------------------------------

From: DOdell4280@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:24:39 EST
Subject: what does it mean

what does retrape mean??????   y havent anyone come out with any ideas who
this is????   some of you must know after he said things that were not common
knoledge....he has had to been close to you at one point.....i am gonna call
the person who i think is retrape.. carmine appice..that way when he is
identified i can call it...there is a link between carmine and the person i
think is retrape...and has nothin to do with drums.....i dont wanna start
anything or point fingers but  im just curios who he is...
   retrape how about some clues!!!!!!!!you know you could say what you want to
and make it fun!!!  or how about we ask you questions in an open forem!!!...so
we can get an idea why these things happened and y you are upset with these
people....
my question is.....do you think there are 2 different
camps..farners/drewers..people who r loyal to just one and pose to be for
everyone?? how about you list people anwser that one too....i just want the
retrape thing talked about in a positive way and find out y hes so upset with
us..how could someone be so into something and feel so alienated by
members....

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:55:27 -0800
Subject: life

I want to thank the friends that called yesterday to advise me check my
e-mail.  I just want to re-emphasize to every one on this list that I have
nothing but the highest regards for Donna and Allen Wightman.  They are
wonderful people, and have hearts of gold.

A couple of things I've learned over the years:

It is not a good idea to get involved in other people's personal business.
Remember that game where someone whispers something in someones ear, then
that person whispers it in the next person's ear, etc?  Usually by the time
it gets to the second or third person, it is unrecognizable from the
original statement.

If you value someone's friendship, and you don't quite understand where
that person is coming from about something, don't be afraid to confront the
situation and get it straightened out.  I usually found out that I had
misunderstood the offending statement, or act.

If you read some else's mail you only get 1/2 of the story.

My Dad always said that if you don't have anything nice to say about
someone, say nothing at all.


God bless,

Steve

------------------------------

From: suntzu@joymail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 98 10:33:31 PST
Subject: Good news

I am glad to see that the world's greatest liar, aka Donna is gone. She lied abo
ut Kiederline and she lied about Steve. Than she bores us with this big sob stor
y about how she wants to say goodbye to her friends. Do it privately dimwit!

If Farner doesn't trust you that is good enough for me.

On another note. I want to thank Bill for showing all of us how we could be anon
ymous on the internet. Even provide a link! I will be putting that knowledge to
good use with all of my new alias's.

Duh, way to go Bill. You must be in agreement with this whole thing or you would
 not let Jan keep posting and then tell the rest of us how to do it.

Looks suspicious to say the least. I'm with you though. the truth cannot be kept
 hidden. I have some more emails from Donna to post that have been donated to me
 by the silent majority. I will pick out the best ones.

Seem funny that out of 300 plus people so very few are defending Donna and her b
acktstabber friends. Easily less than 10 percent. The rest want to know the trut
h. Or aren't afraid of it.

Big John Rockwood
Not afraid of the truth...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:10:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: GSGP on CDNow

Thank you for the good news!

Ben


- ---Stan and Tia Pace <paces@widomaker.com> wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> CD Now, www.cdnow.com, has GSGP listed, and it can be advance
ordered.  If
> you place an advance order, they will deliver it to you on the same
day it
> appears on shelves (Jan.12).  Their price is $9.99.
>
> Stan
>
>

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:22:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Good news

Hi all,

        Obviously  trying  to  start another flame war, or to continue
     the last one, on Fri, 18 Dec 1998 suntzu@joymail.com, a.k.a. "Big
     John"  (who  doesn't  know  how  to  use the carriage return key)
     wrote:

> I am glad to see that the world's greatest liar, aka Donna is gone ...

        Well, sir, you may find this hard to believe, but you are in a
     very small minority here.  Making comments such  as  this,  based
     solely  on second-hand electronic communication which is too easy
     to forge, implies that your opinions are easily swayed  by  hear-
     say without seeing any credible evidence.

        Let  me  try  to  sway  your  opinion myself:  I am one of the
     biggest ass-holes you will ever know.  And, I will do  everything
     within  my power  to ensure that anyone who doesn't think like me
     will be banned from the list.

>                                                                 ... She
> lied about Kiederline and she lied about Steve ...

        Again,  you are making statements based on what you have heard
     from others without ever having met the woman  --  here-say.   In
     all my interactions with Donna, I have never known her to be pur-
     posefully untruthful about anything.  She may  have  been  misin-
     formed about something, but she has never lied on purpose, to try
     to sway other people's opinions to match hers, or to  be  in  any
     way deceitful the way that others in this forum have been.

>                                             ... Than she bores us with
> this big sob story about how she wants to say goodbye to her friends. Do
> it privately dimwit ...

        Talk  about  doing  things  privately,  what the hell did your
     post have to do with Grand Funk Railroad?  Why  didn't  you  take
     your own advice and post your flame-inducing comments to the peo-
     ple that you were angry with.  What purpose did  your  post  have
     other than to piss people off and try to start another flame-war?

        As I said earlier, you are in  a  very  small  minority  here.
     Donna  has  a lot of friends on this list (More, I am fairly sure
     -- especially after this post-- than you do) and it was  entirely
     appropriate  for  her  to announce she was leaving the list  in a
     message to the list.

        On the other hand, your message to the list served no *useful*
     purpose.

>
> If Farner doesn't trust you that is good enough for me.

        Who said Farner didn't trust her?  How could you possibly know
     that first-hand?  If you want to  throw  second-hand  information
     around,  let's  compare it with mine.  My second-hand information
     says Farner doesn't like women in  control  or  power  positions.
     Now,  I don't necessarily believe that but it's at least as accu-
     rate as your second-hand information.  Wouldn't it be more credi-
     ble  to  suppose that Donna wasn't allowed access to Farner?  ...
     that she was insulated from Farner for other, unknown reasons?

        Here's some first-hand information for you.  I have  seen,  in
     person,  with my own eyes, Donna and Farner in close proximity to
     one another on more than one occasion.  And, I never  saw  Farner
     express  any  sentiment, emotion, body language, or anything that
     would have indicated to me that he didn't trust Donna.

        By the way, you didn't copy Donna on your message yet, in your
     quote  above,  you address her in the first person as if she were
     still on-list.  If she is gone, and you're  glad  of  it,  what's
     your point? ... your problem?

> ...
> On another note. I want to thank Bill for showing all of us how we could
> be anonymous on the internet. Even provide a link! I will be putting
> that knowledge to good use with all of my new alias's ...

        If  you  needed to be told that this was a possibility, you're
     even more ignorant than I supposed.  It  doesn't  take  too  many
     brains  to do a simple search and find that there are a number of
     services on the 'Net -- for surfing the Web and sending e-mail --
     that  attempt  to  ensure  the  anonymity  of the user.  In fact,
     anonymous services have been around almost since the beginning of
     the 'Net.  How much of a 'Net newbie are you anyway?

        It  looks  like you are getting ready to try to have some fun,
     "Big John."  You and "Jan" must really like making  nuisances  of
     yourself on the 'Net.  Do you two get together often?  Do the two
     of you have a special relationship you want to tell us about?

        You haven't really pulled a "Jan" yet -- that's the only  rea-
     son  you're  still here.  But, if you do, be assured that your e-
     mail address will be put in the same place as  the  "ratrape"  e-
     mail  address.   And,  every time you show up with another one of
     your many aliases, they will be added to the list.

> ...
> Duh, way to go Bill. You must be in agreement with this whole thing or
> you would not let Jan keep posting and then tell the rest of us how to do it.
> ...

        You  really  are  clueless, aren't you?  You really are a 'Net
     newbie to the extreme, aren't you?  You have absolutely  no  idea
     what  my thoughts and opinions are.  And, you have less than zero
     knowledge about how to run a mailing list, what is possible, what
     is not possible, and what is involved.

        But,  "Big  John,"  there is one thing you are very good at --
     something you can be proud of, I guess -- you certainly know  how
     to  make  enemies  and I dare say that there will be more than of
     few of them on this list after this.  In fact, you're coming real
     close  to  pissing  me off pretty bad..  Congratulations!  You're
     good at something.

> ...
> Looks suspicious to say the least. I'm with you though. the truth cannot
> be kept hidden ...

        You  don't have a clue.  You don't know what truth is.  And, I
     am getting sick and tired of you and people like you who have on-
     ly  one  purpose on the 'Net -- to wreak havoc and cause pain and
     suffering wherever you go.

>             ... I have some more emails from Donna to post that have been
> donated to me by the silent majority. I will pick out the best ones ...

        If  you do that, you will be banned from the list.  I promise.
     And, every time you subscribe under a new alias  and  show  "your
     ass" again, I will repeat the process.  If you really are a Grand
     Funk fan -- and I am beginning to seriously  doubt  that  --  you
     will  quit  mongering  this hate, shut-up, and only post on-topic
     when you have something useful to say.  And,  just  in  case  you
     were  wondering,  there was nothing useful or interesting in your
     post at all -- much less any content related to the list-topic.

> ...
> Seem funny that out of 300 plus people so very few are defending Donna
> and her backtstabber friends. Easily less than 10 percent. The rest want
> to know the truth. Or aren't afraid of it.

        And,  again,  you really don't have one, single, simple, soli-
     tary, clue.  You make assumptions based on what you  see  on-list
     and  don't give any consideration to what happens off-list.  And,
     it couldn't possibly bebecause the majority of the people on-list
     don't want to participate in crap like this, now, could it?

        Well,  folks, after the last few weeks of bull-shit on-list, I
     think that you can tell I have a very short  fuse.   I  typically
     don't  let  people  get  to me like this and have let people stay
     subscribed no matter what they say or do.  I think that  you  all
     have  another  candidate  for the delete key here or, if you know
     how, for your mail reader's kill file.

        Heck, for all I know this could be "Jan" using another  alias.
     But,  if  anything  starts  up from this "person" or from anybody
     else that is anything like what we went through with "Jan,"  they
     will  be banned.  And, if it gets too out of hand, I'll close the
     list down for a while.

        You can take this as a warning, Jan, suntzu, and everybody  if
     you  want  to argue, flame, and spew hate, find somewhere else to
     do it.  I won't tolerate it here any more.

Bill Parrette
grand-funk@roadkill.com Administrator
wap@parrette.net

------------------------------

From: "Ladnier, Joe (Contr)" <ladnierj@LEE-DNS2.ARMY.MIL>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:14:15 -0500
Subject: Nasty note for John

After you're finished with Jan, do you swallow or spit it out?  Just
curious?

GFRJoe

------------------------------

From: "Railroos" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:37:53 +0100
Subject: SV: Good news

HI  MrTop Secret !! A FRIENDLY QUESTION ,
- - Are you Rick Kiderling ?

- -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: suntzu@joymail.com <suntzu@joymail.com>
Till: grand-funk@roadkill.com <grand-funk@roadkill.com>
Datum: den 18 december 1998 22:06
Ämne: Good news


>I am glad to see that the world's greatest liar, aka Donna is gone. She lied ab
out Kiederline and she lied about Steve. Than she bores us with this big sob sto
ry about how she wants to say goodbye to her friends. Do it privately dimwit!
>
>If Farner doesn't trust you that is good enough for me.
>
>On another note. I want to thank Bill for showing all of us how we could be ano
nymous on the internet. Even provide a link! I will be putting that knowledge to
 good use with all of my new alias's.
>
>Duh, way to go Bill. You must be in agreement with this whole thing or you woul
d not let Jan keep posting and then tell the rest of us how to do it.
>
>Looks suspicious to say the least. I'm with you though. the truth cannot be kep
t hidden. I have some more emails from Donna to post that have been donated to m
e by the silent majority. I will pick out the best ones.
>
>Seem funny that out of 300 plus people so very few are defending Donna and her
backtstabber friends. Easily less than 10 percent. The rest want to know the tru
th. Or aren't afraid of it.
>
>Big John Rockwood
>Not afraid of the truth...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Get your FREE email at  http://www.joymail.com
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Railroos" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:44:30 +0100
Subject: VB: Good news (sad news)

- -Hi again gang !( 12 years "Black Velvet" almost gone....hehehe. )

I feelin sad about those troubelmaker´s "telling the truth ?! "alias Hotmail & J
oymail`s !
here on RK, like we said: "we are a family" but, what this felows want is to get
 us anonymous like:

railxxx@Joymailer´`.....  ám shure you all know àm not only" railroos anonymous
Iàm > Thomas Roos and 41 years living in Stockholm Sweden , some of you even hav
e my privat phonenumer.

- -I get to the point, If those Hot@Joymailer`s  like "Jan & Co" ( if not they a
re same person) get what they want all be anonymos Hot@Joymeiler´s,

 In thirs case RK list will STAY`s  funked for maybe a month!!

- -Dont let those "Hotmailer`s winn  this battle is hard enought with "The Battl
e of Bands & Marino  Battle and "Good Jobs done !!

- -STAAAAAAAAY FUNKED  "ROOOOOOOADKILLER`s  !!!!!!!!!

Regards Thomas.
Btw; I have a sisterbrother working for "Hotmail@Europe, see what reserch he can
 do for me.
and: >>
Isen`t this a little to BIG words in this mather ?!!!

You Wrote : **am glad to see that the world's greatest liar, aka Donna is gone.
- -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: suntzu@joymail.com <suntzu@joymail.com>
Till: grand-funk@roadkill.com <grand-funk@roadkill.com>
Datum: den 18 december 1998 22:06
Ämne: Good news

>**I am glad to see that the world's greatest liar, aka Donna is gone. She lied
about Kiederline and she lied about Steve. Than she bores us with this big sob s
tory about how she wants to say goodbye to her friends. Do it privately dimwit!
>
>If Farner doesn't trust you that is good enough for me.
>
>On another note. I want to thank Bill for showing all of us how we could be ano
nymous on the internet. Even provide a link! I will be putting that knowledge to
 good use with all of my new alias's.
>
>Duh, way to go Bill. You must be in agreement with this whole thing or you woul
d not let Jan keep posting and then tell the rest of us how to do it.
>
>Looks suspicious to say the least. I'm with you though. the truth cannot be kep
t hidden. I have some more emails from Donna to post that have been donated to m
e by the silent majority. I will pick out the best ones.
>
>Seem funny that out of 300 plus people so very few are defending Donna and her
backtstabber friends. Easily less than 10 percent. The rest want to know the tru
th. Or aren't afraid of it.
>
>
>Big John Rockwood
>Not afraid of the truth...................!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Get your FREE email at  http://www.fuckmail.com
>
------------------------------

From: "Railroos" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 01:53:47 +0100
Subject: Not Truly .

- -I dont hold it for truly that "Jan or this "Joymail felow never have bean to
the list before !
They have bean here before and still are under right name suport themsels that w
as his big misstake.
Stupid@xxxxx
This people is borne evil and have to proof it, like the devil himsef´.

Grand Funk Scandinavian Style !

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:31:55 -0700
Subject: Jan and John Only.. Please...

 Hey I just figured it out.... Are you guys really butt flogging
buddies......if you are its ok... you can come out of the closet now....

Ford...
P.S.   attack me you worthless wimps......

------------------------------

From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:15:30 -800
Subject: help

Does anyone receive my mail. Please respond.

Seil

------------------------------

From: "Fordelmos' place" <fordelmo@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:05:32 -0700
Subject: Re: help

coming thru loud and clear.....

seilnats@asiancityweb.com wrote:

> Does anyone receive my mail. Please respond.
>
> Seil
> _________________________
> Get Free Email Here - http://www.chinacityweb.com

------------------------------

From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:11:00 -800
Subject: Mark Farner and Frank Marino

Hello all,

First I would like to say that I have tried many times to unsubscribe from this
list because of all of the insulting and so forth. But I never could get it
to work. Now it appears the hate has subsided so I will stay around and see
if you will ingage me in some healthy conversation.

I have been an admirer of rock guitarist for many decades. I believe I am famili
ar
with most of them and respect all of there skills.

I personally believe that Marino is more underated than Mark Farner. For the
period of time that Farner was with Grand Funk I do not believe he ever equaled
Frank Marino in skill either. Farner was a very good guitarist overall with
Grand Funk. But I do not feel he was ever great. To me Marino approached greatne
ss,
but never achieved it. Also he got no recognition for his work except for a
very tiny following of fans.

As the years went by Farner got better and better. By the time he released his
Jesus Records he also approached greatness. He showed the skills of a seasoned,
professional, highly skilled rock guitar man. Something not many achieve.

I am aware that Farner is very versatile and can do many more things than play
guitar. He too was underated a great deal for his work after Were An American
Band and beyond which is when I believe he truly begin to bloom as a guitaist.


Though I fell like Marino received far less credit during a period when he was
a more skilled guitarist then Farner. Too bad for both of them really as the
lack of recognition still hurts Farner today I would guess.

Seil
Greetings from Singapore

------------------------------

From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:44:34 -800
Subject: Re: Mark Farner and Frank Marino

>well personally i think you need to join franks list...i mean sheeesh you like

>em soooo much..i know if I had those feelings..i be damn if i got on my
>"second best" guitarist list.......Mark rules!!!!


No I believe I will stay for the moment. It is not for you to say if I go or
stay.

I am very fond of Mark Farner as a musical talent. That is why I am here. In
the 1970 years he could have taken guitar lesson's from Frank Marino I imagine.


Many people comment on the voting and the fact that Farner can write music or
sing or whatever they say. But after I toured the voting site I saw no reference
to these skills. It simply asked who was the most underated guitarist. They
do not ask who was better Farner or Marino or who else. Just who was the most
nderrated. If it comforts some to feel Farner is better then Marino so be it.


But Marino was clearly more underated I feel.

To Mr. RickDC: Do you have no other interest? You seem to be here at all hours.
I am playing you!

Seil
From Singapore with best wishes!

------------------------------

From: "Billy Parrot" <billparret@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:56:37 PST
Subject: hi!

Merry Christmas to all both big and small. I almost freaked out when I
saw the name of your admin guy. Almost the same as mine!!!!

Spooky for sure.

Bill Parret
PS: Bass player like Mel Schacher

------------------------------

From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:50:48 -0600
Subject: Re: hi!

By the way, you wouldn't be related to Jan Harmon would you?    [:^)
Spook$

Billy Parrot wrote:

> Merry Christmas to all both big and small. I almost freaked out when I
> saw the name of your admin guy. Almost the same as mine!!!!
>
> Spooky for sure.
>
> Bill Parret
> PS: Bass player like Mel Schacher
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

From: "Billy Parrot" <billparret@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:37:18 PST
Subject: Re: hi!

>
>By the way, you wouldn't be related to Jan Harmon would you?    [:^)
>Spook$

Never heard of her. Is she hot. I just got on the internet a few months
past. My name is pronounced Parrot like the bird. Plus people have
always called me that anyway because I have a monster fucking nose.

Love Mel's style of playing. Does he have a site on the internet. That
would be awesome.

What the hell is all of this voting jive.

Billy Parret

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:54:03 -0800
Subject: mark's message

Mark has revised, and added to, his statement of 12/21/98 on his website.
Check it out <markfarner.com>

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:11:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Mark Faggot on iGuitar

- ---Chghoti1@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have had it with the iGuitar site.  Someone has listed Mark Faggot
right
> with Mark Farmer.  That is it for me.  I am through with this battle
and am
> getting ready to get rid of my just bought Marino CD's & exchange
for more GFR
> & FARNER!!!
>
> Funkin Fish
>

And now one of your 'brothers' has put up a Faggot Marino selection.
Will you now get rid of your Grand Funk cds.?

Ben

------------------------------

From: "X-mas RailRoos" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 02:20:47 +0100
Subject: Marino "Lurker Found on RK ?!

- -  So you> Ben is the " Marino Lurker on this list ?!
Regards RailRoos
Grand Funk Scandinavian Style !

- -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Till: Chghoti1@aol.com <Chghoti1@aol.com>; grand-funk@roadkill.com <grand-funk@r
oadkill.com>; footstompers@makelist.com <footstompers@makelist.com>
Datum: den 25 december 1998 02:12
Ämne: Re: Mark Faggot on iGuitar

>---Chghoti1@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I have had it with the iGuitar site.  Someone has listed Mark Faggot
>right
>> with Mark Farmer.  That is it for me.  I am through with this battle
>and am
>> getting ready to get rid of my just bought Marino CD's & exchange
>for more GFR
>> & FARNER!!!
>>
>> Funkin Fish
>>
>
>
>And now one of your 'brothers' has put up a Faggot Marino selection.
>Will you now get rid of your Grand Funk cds.?
>
>Ben
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:24:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Marino "Lurker Found on RK ?!

How ridiculous. Some of you are so quick to burn the witches at the
stake that you are blinded from reason. I simply questioned the logic
of getting rid of cds because of what one person did on stupid
Internet guitar poll.

But from your daily 6-10 posts about the subject that I read, I doubt
if you can reason it out.

Ben



> >> I have had it with the iGuitar site.  Someone has listed Mark
Faggot
> >right
> >> with Mark Farmer.  That is it for me.  I am through with this
battle
> >and am
> >> getting ready to get rid of my just bought Marino CD's & exchange
> >for more GFR
> >> & FARNER!!!
> >>
> >> Funkin Fish
> >>
> >
> >
> >And now one of your 'brothers' has put up a Faggot Marino selection.
> >Will you now get rid of your Grand Funk cds.?
> >
> >Ben
> >_________________________________________________________
> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>

------------------------------

From: "X-mas RailRoos" <get.funked@telia.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:42:07 +0100
Subject: "Lurker Found on RK ?!

- -Sorry but your m@il-answer  to Fish was looking funny I had to ask you in thi
s "lurkerquestion,I dont think Fish getting rid of his cd´s because of the poll,
Its only a way to speak. About our 6-10 posts daily about the subject YOU are ri
ght read the "Subject" and use your "Delete button, you dont have to take part o
f and read the post if you dont want there is many other subject on the list to.
!!
Regards and have a great X-Mas, Thomas alias RailRoos


- -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Till: get.funked@telia.com <get.funked@telia.com>; grand-funk@roadkill.com <gran
d-funk@roadkill.com>; footstompers@makelist.com <footstompers@makelist.com>
Datum: den 25 december 1998 03:23
Ämne: Re: Marino "Lurker Found on RK ?!
>How ridiculous. Some of you are so quick to burn the witches at the
>stake that you are blinded from reason. I simply questioned the logic
>of getting rid of cds because of what one person did on stupid
>Internet guitar poll.
>
>But from your daily 6-10 posts about the subject that I read, I doubt
>if you can reason it out.
>
>Ben
>
>
>
>> >> I have had it with the iGuitar site.  Someone has listed Mark
>Faggot
>> >right
>> >> with Mark Farmer.  That is it for me.  I am through with this
>battle
>> >and am
>> >> getting ready to get rid of my just bought Marino CD's & exchange
>> >for more GFR
>> >> & FARNER!!!
>> >>
>> >> Funkin Fish
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >And now one of your 'brothers' has put up a Faggot Marino selection.
>> >Will you now get rid of your Grand Funk cds.?
>> >
>> >Ben
>> >_________________________________________________________
>> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
>> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:27:43 -0800
Subject: andy newmark

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Andy Newmark is a session drummer who has played on many rock and jazz
albums, including albums by Mark, George Harrison, Ron Wood, Eric Clapton,
Rollingstones, etc.

Al Wotton, an outstanding musician from Flint, was the drummer in Mark's
first solo band (with Dennis Bellinger on bass).  Al was stricken with
muscular dystrophy while in Mark's band.  He still lives in the Flint area,
but is no longer able to play drums.  Al, Dennis, and Mark still maintain
contact with each other.  Al was always an excellent drummer, and would
have been with Mark for many years.

Dennis is a DJ on a radio station in the Flint area.  After not playing for
many years, he now plays bass in a new trio with Jory Pettiprine of the
"Blue Hawaiians", and is a volunteer fireman in a Flint suburb.

I met with Dennis this past summer, for the first time in 20 years.  It was
great to reminisce about the "old days", hear some good GFR stories of the
first reunion, and catch up on the news of old friends.

Steve

------------------------------

From: "Billy Parrot" <billparret@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:06:21 PST
Subject: Mark's Message

Mark a racist? Hardly my citizens. He is a lover of all people. Yet he
will fight those that choose to suppress.

What people would call Mark such a thing you ask? Put on your thinking
cap ye simple soldier. One of them has been Donna. Donna was so peaved
that she was turned down from working on Mark's solo site that she
lashed out like a woman scorned. She has jumped on the 'cart of fools'
that has labeled him a racist and a sexist. She is quietly ...she
believes... passing this info along to those in the industry she has
established connections with. Some now have questions about Mark. He is
understandably wounded by this.

Donna in her own little pitiful way is trying to cause harm to Mark's
reputation.

She has also emailed people remotley connected with GFR and has tried to
plant seeds of discontent. One of them has questioned me about it. He
was given a very detailed lesson of Donna's mental state. She continued
to spew insults of the faithful servant Steven in her "goodbye" email.

Yet for some reason Mark still trust his brother.

Donna and her micro following of robotic defenders will no doubt scream
foul. Donna will come online and give her 'poor little womam being
picked on by everyone speech'. Only the fools among the people will
continue to believe it. How simple of her to think anyone would care
what a disgruntled fan would think. But her emails do have a sting for
all of her contacts do not truly know her. Some may actually believe her
to have an inside line to all things Funk. But I know one who no longer
does. I have seen to that.

Oh ye woman scorned. Your world is slowly changing as your treacherous
ways are uncovered.

This lady has lied about Steven, Richard and now MARK. How can the true
fan continue to align themself with this breeder of fabricated facts?

Are ye fans of Mark, Don and Mel or fans of a traitor?

And yes, there is more to come.

!!JAN!!
The fountain of knowledge, server of same.

------------------------------

From: Leo Bartoli <ljb@pwshift.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:28:22 -0500
Subject: RE: !!JAN!! (off-topic)

!!JAN!! / "Billy Parrot" wrote:
>
> Subject: Mark's Message
>
> This lady has lied about Steven, Richard and now MARK.
>
> Are ye fans of Mark, Don and Mel or fans of a traitor?
>
> And yes, there is more to come.
>
> !!JAN!!
> The fountain of knowledge, server of same.
>
And so on and so on ad naseaum.   In my opinion you ought to have quit while
you were ahead. At this point your credibility is rapidly dwindling, and your
true colors are beginning to show.

Forced to guess I would say you are green with envy and teeming with animosity.
Clearly you have no respect for or interest in the members of this group and
are motivated by one thing and one thing only, vengeance.

You've made your point, you've had your say.  I doubt there is anything more
you could add in support of  your position that wouldn't fall on deaf ears.
 Anyone who wishes to reach you may do so.

My suggestion is to lay low and permit list members to work things out on their
own.  In the mean time see if you can't let this all go and get on with your
life.  You owe it to yourself.

S/Leo

------------------------------

From: Loose Lips <drnolies@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:22:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Farner vs Marino

After going by the guitar site for my daily vote for Mark Farner I am
sick to my stomach. When I saw all of the 'names' some 'brother' has
put up for Marino it is disgusting. I have never seen such a pathetic
group of fans in my life. Whoever did that should hang their head in
shame for their behavior.

This list does nothing but argue and try to screw up perfectly legit
music polls. Don't cry to me about 'they' started it. That is no
excuse for adults to behave this way.

Like Don Brewer said. You people need to get a life. There is no hope
of a true fan getting any information in this place. Absolutely
unbelievable.

I am unsubscribing.

Ben

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:12:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: A theory ...

To the list,

        First off, let me reiterate that Jan is subscribed to the list
     under more than one address. This current one, BillParrot at  the
     hotmail  account,  has been unsubscribed and will be blocked from
     posting soon.  But, whoever it is, will subscribe again under an-
     other  address  to spew his lies and propaganda.  My best sugges-
     tion to all of you is to "ignore and delete."  If  you  can't  do
     this, keep your interactions with *it* off-list please.

        And  then,  there is this issue of someone, somewhere accusing
     Mark Farner of being a "white supremacist."  Where the  heck  did
     this  come  from?   It seems to me that, if a rumor like this had
     been circulating, then someone on  "roadkill"  would  have  heard
     about it before now.

        I have a theory ...

        Maybe,  just maybe, Jan and his cronies are trying to play two
     sides of the same coin.  It seems to me that Jan's  objective  is
     to  get  all  of  us  on "roadkill" to start bickering among our-
     selves.  The desired result, perhaps, is to get me  to  take  the
     grand-funk  list  down  and have all of the Web authors to remove
     their sites.  At the same time they are  feeding  more  lies  and
     propaganda  (e.g. the "white supremacist" rumor) to Farner trying
     to make him believe that Grand Funk fans are cruel, awful people.
     What  purpose  might  this all serve?  Well how about this:  They
     want Mark to dump Don and Mel and get back to his Christian music
     efforts.

        It does give one pause to think ...

        In  a  related note, there have been some interesting develop-
     ments in "funk-land" recently.  Almost  immediately  after  Donna
     left the list, three incredibly interesting coincidences occurred
     on "roadkill," footstompers, and the Sunday night chat.   Suffice
     it  to  say  that those of us that are looking into "things" have
     several more clues now to work with.

        In an unrelated note, someone recently attacked me in  e-mail.
     They  tried  to  send it to the list from an unsubscribed address
     and it bounced into my administrative mailbox.  This person,  us-
     ing  some  very  colorful  and rude language, used the Jan issue,
     certain members inability to communicate effectively in  English,
     and  the  never-ending "underrated guitarist" poll posts as exam-
     ples of how I don't effectively control the list.

        This person is welcome to try to post the message from a  sub-
     scribed  address  at which point I will unsubscribe him and block
     him from posting.  But, to try to answer his simple-minded  accu-
     sations,  I  would  like to remind him and everybody else on list
     that this forum has always been about freedom.  Some  people  are
     using  this  freedom to their advantage and are trying to destroy
     the list.  Other people are using the  freedom  for  name-calling
     and backstabbing.

        I have always wanted to keep this forum as free as possible to
     encourage the free exchange of ideas.  I have implemented  a  few
     controls  as things have broken down and people have proven to me
     that they are more child-like than they are adults.  But, if con-
     trol  is  what  you want, control will be what you get.  The next
     control that I am considering putting on the  list  will  be  the
     tightest  control to date.  I am considering unsubscribing every-
     body and making everybody resubscribe to the list.  But, before a
     subscription  will be completed, the subscribee will have to pro-
     vide me with a real name, a snail-mail address, and a phone  num-
     ber.   Before I allow the subscription to complete, I will verify
     the accuracy of this information and keep it in  a  database  for
     future  reference.   If  it *is* control that the majority of you
     want, then by-gosh, I'll control you to the best of my ability.

        Anyway, as I said before, Jan will show up  again  and  again.
     My best suggestion is to, again, "ignore and delete."  Don't give
     *it* the audience *it* wants and don't engage *it*  in  any  way.
     And,  I'll  be  looking into controlling *it* and the rest of you
     with some list reconfigurations ...

Bill Parrette
wap@parrette.net

------------------------------

From: Wayne Coker <wcoker@wt.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:40:54 -0600
Subject: Re: A theory ...

Bill,
It's really a shame it has come to this, but I agree with you completely.
If we could just keep folks from reacting to all the negative stuff, i
think the creeps would get tired of trying to ruin everyone's good karma.
It's such a shame to have so many good people biting at each other, being
defensive, etc., for no good reason whatsoever.  People hurting people.
99 percent are great folks, too.      I think you are dead right about
what's going on now and support your efforts totally.  I hope  you don't
have to go to the steps you mentioned, but if so, it will be ok.  Just
lots more work for you.  What a shame.     Thanks so much for your level
headed approach.  My pastor used to ask people to just "keep the main
thing the main thing".    That's what we need to do here.  Keep Mark, Don
and Mel the main thing and stand united (in love) against anything
negative or divisive.

God Bless you and your family this holiday season,
Wayne "Hooked On Love" Coker

"William A. Parrette" wrote:

> To the list,
>
>         First off, let me reiterate that Jan is subscribed to the list
>      under more than one address.

------------------------------

From: seilnats@asiancityweb.com
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:09:37 -800
Subject: Re: A theory ...

Excuse me sir. Are you the man they say was a stalker?

Respectfully,

Seil


>Bill,
>It's really a shame it has come to this, but I agree with you completely.
>If we could just keep folks from reacting to all the negative stuff, i
>think the creeps would get tired of trying to ruin everyone's good karma.
>It's such a shame to have so many good people biting at each other, being
>defensive, etc., for no good reason whatsoever.  People hurting people.
>99 percent are great folks, too.      I think you are dead right about
>what's going on now and support your efforts totally.  I hope  you don't
>have to go to the steps you mentioned, but if so, it will be ok.  Just
>lots more work for you.  What a shame.     Thanks so much for your level
>headed approach.  My pastor used to ask people to just "keep the main
>thing the main thing".    That's what we need to do here.  Keep Mark, Don
>and Mel the main thing and stand united (in love) against anything
>negative or divisive.
>
>God Bless you and your family this holiday season,
>Wayne "Hooked On Love" Coker
>
>"William A. Parrette" wrote:
>
>> To the list,
>>
>>         First off, let me reiterate that Jan is subscribed to the list
>>      under more than one address.
>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:34:31 -0800
Subject: rumor controls

I'm glad to see that everyone is surviving the holidays in such good spirits!

1.The rumor about Mark being a white supremacist originated in N. Europe.
A guitarist friend of his from Europe called him and told him about it.
Mark thinks that his support for the NRA, and the second ammendment, might
have been misunderstood by people that are unaware of their true meaning.

2.The story about Al Wotton was an answer to a question from our Roadkill
brothers in Sweden, wondering why Andy Newmark is listed as drummer on one
of Mark's albums, but not in any of his band listings, on his website.

3.At this time Mark does not want an e-mail address for him on his site.
That may change in the future, but currently, he does not have the time to
answer e-mail.  He has several time consuming projects ongoing, both
musical and non-musical.  If anyone has a question about the site, please
address it to me.  I'll put a link up on the site.

4.Mark has no quarrel with Donna, he appreciates all that she has done.
Donna was invited to work on his site, also.

5.Mark has no problem with women in authority positions.  His wife Lesia is
very active in her own pusuits.  She has a business of her own, and helps
Mark with his businesses.  They both share the household duties.

6.Mark is currently involved in alternative energy.  He represents several
companies, and will soon have an additional website relating to these
activities.

7.Currently, several new demo tunes are in the can.  Mark has been updating
his studio to all digital, tapeless recording.  He has been playing all of
the instruments on the recordings, and they sound awesome.  With his new
equipment, and software, what once took several days, now takes hours.

8.There is no tour planned with Dick Wagner.  Mark has not really spent
much time towards getting a band together, right now.  He plans to get the
songs together for a new album, get the business end together, then get the
band together to record, and tour. He has spoken to several musicians,
socially, but there have been no offers made by Mark.

Happy New Year,

Steve

------------------------------

From: spook <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:14:16 -0600
Subject: A few ramblin's

I know we are all a little down on this list but I would like to share a
thought. If "Jan" and its minions are trying to break up this list and
cause the sites to go down so Mark will end GFR and go out on a
Christian tour, then I gotta assume that maybe these jerks know a little
about Mark and maybe are actually privy to certain info. That means,
then, that if the list continues and is not weakened, then there is a
chance of further GFR. Dana is 100% correct that we can't separate into
Mark and Don camps. We must concentrate on GFR. And I say to those of
you who are growing impatient, good things come to those who wait. Just
ask those who have finally gotten to see and even meet with the band
after 30 years. So all we gotta do is figure a way to get through this
slow period and even through a period where Mark has to go it on his own
for a while. Thank you for listening.
Peace
Spook$

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:46:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: Stuff

Hi all,

        FYI,  there are now three major controls on the list that have
     been implemented to try to make this forum a safer, happier place
     for all of us to chat about Grand Funk, etc.

        The  first  control I put on the list was added sometime early
     last year in response to another flame-war that had  erupted  on-
     list.   At  that time, anybody -- subscriber or non subscriber --
     could post a message to the list.  To try to control  some  prob-
     lems,  I  changed  the  configuration so that only people who had
     subscribed to the list could post to it.

        The second control I put on  the list was added  earlier  this
     year.   At  that  time,  despite rules, guidelines, and warnings,
     people continued to post large graphic and  sound  files  to  the
     list.   To  try to control that problem, I changed the configura-
     tion so that messages that were greater than  25,000  bytes  long
     were rejected.

        The  third  control I put on the list I just added a couple of
     days ago.  This control is in response  to  the  recent  problems
     that  caused  Donna and many others to unsubscribe from the list.
     To try to control this problem, I have changed the  configuration
     so  that I -- personally, by hand -- must approve every subscrip-
     tion request that comes in to the list.  In  this  way,  if  "the
     shit starts flying" again, I have no one to blame but myself.

        Let me say a big Thank You to all of you who sent me your per-
     sonal information about who you are and how to contact  you  both
     on-  and off-list.  I have thought about this issue for some time
     now and, although we had only one dissenter, I have come to real-
     ize  that I may have been asking a little too much to have every-
     body send me their name, address, and phone number.

        It occurred to me that since everybody has to have an Internet
     Access  Provider  (IAP, or ISP (Internet Service Provider)), that
     their personal information is already on file somewhere  on-line.
     So, I am going to change my requirements.  Instead of unsubscrib-
     ing everybody and making everyone resubscribe, I  would  like  to
     receive  one  *personal*  e-mail  from every subscriber -- please
     don't clutter the list with this.  The e-mail  must  contain  the
     following:

             1. Which list you are on: normal or digest
             2. Your e-mail address
             3. Your real name
             4. Your IAP's domain name
             5. Your IAP user-name or e-mail address

        For  example,  if  I were sending this information in, I would
     give:

             1. normal
             2. wap@parrette.net
             3. Bill Parrette
             4. parrette.net
             5. wap@parrette.net

        Now,  I  realize that I could extract the information for num-
     bers 2 and 4 from the mail headers.  But, I am trying to make  it
     easy  on  myself  while  collecting and collating the data.  And,
     number 4 may seem like redundant data considering number 2.  But,
     here's  the  rub:   Many  of  you are using a free e-mail service
     which is *different* than your IAP!  Yes, I  *am*  talking  about
     those of you using juno, hotmail, excite-mail, yahoo-mail, and so
     on.

        What I plan on doing with this information is  to  finger  the
     account  to  obtain  account  information and possibly e-mail the
     postmaster at the IAP domain name to verify that they are a  real
     user.   The IAP will have your name, address, and phone number in
     their records which *they* can use to contact someone who becomes
     abusive on our list.

        I'll  give everybody a couple of weeks to get this information
     out to me.  If I don't receive your information by  Friday,  Jan-
     uary 15, 1999 you will be unsubscribed from the list.

Bill Parrette
grand-funk@roadkill.com Administrator
wap@parrette.net

------------------------------

From: DOdell4280@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:00:54 EST
Subject: controled enviorment

In a message dated 12/30/98 3:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, wap@parrette.net
writes:

<< The  third  control  >>
i dont know about this....i got a lot to say but no time...i dont like this
controled stuff.
, i didnt join this list to be monitored what i say... what about the next guy
who says something u people  dont like...hes out...its like its gotta be a gfr
positive postin or else....listen what your doin is wrong...

------------------------------

From: RICKDC@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:13:40 EST
Subject: Re: FS- controled enviorment

In a message dated 12/30/98 7:02:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DOdell4280@aol.com writes:

<< << The  third  control  >>
 i dont know about this....i got a lot to say but no time...i dont like this
 controled stuff.
 , i didnt join this list to be monitored what i say... what about the next
guy
 who says something u people  dont like...hes out...its like its gotta be a
gfr
 positive postin or else....listen what your doin is wrong.. >>


No ones free speech is going to be trimmed except in the case of personally
attacking another list member. I have no problem with that.

Rick

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:18:36 -0800
Subject: message

Mark has a new message on his website.

Thanks,

Steve

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:15:33 -0800
Subject: mark's statements

Boy, am I happy to see that Mark has got people thinking and debating some
issues here.  Mark has always spoken his feelings, whether in lyrics or
conversation.  The statements he posts are meant to inspire thought, and an
inward look at ourselves.  He is not insulting fans, or anyone.

The way I take his last message, he was referring to all Americans, not
just the fans that may read his posts on his website.  Don't you people
find it discouraging when people don't take GFR seriously?  Look at the
bigger picture.  How many people in America have the sense to know right
from wrong (ie. the Clinton poll ratings).  Aren't you outraged by the fact
that you can't believe a word Bill says, yet the polls show public support
for him at high ratings?  This is the thought process that has Mark talking
about not much sense left in the country.  Think about it - why does
Clinton have record high female support, when he is nothing but a sexual
predator?  The women of this country should be up in arms!  As a man, I
don't want him to set the standard for male behaviour - why should anybody!
 As we focus on one topic fed to us by the media, the powers that be are
chipping away at our rights and freedoms - behind the scenes.  Ignore the
"spin" put out by the politicians. Search for the facts, and you will find
the truth!

I forward all replies and comments (both positive and negative) to Mark,
complete with e-mail addresses.  He is glad that people are taking the time
to read his thoughts, and are responding.  To open up the thought process,
and have people open their eyes to what is going on around them, is his
full intent.

Mark will be posting an update on his career plans very soon, and will be
posting a photo spread of current photos from around his farm, and studio.

We will be redoing his site completely in a very short time.  He plans on
having some sound bites of his new material posted, also.

How about that GSGP!  Finally "new" GFR for our homes.

Take care,

Steve

------------------------------

From: "William A. Parrette" <wap@parrette.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:31:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ADMIN: Just some stuff ...

Dear list friends,

        I  have to admit it:  the list, work, life, and all are making
     me very, very tired right now.  Many of you have offered to  help
     me  over  the  years  and  I appreciate that but, with the recent
     problems that we've had recently, it is certainly hard for me  to
     let go.  I've always tried to be open, fair, and patient with ev-
     erybody -- only stepping in when things get really  out  of  hand
     (which  is  how,  I believe, a mailing list should be run) -- and
     not put so many controls on so as to inhibit freedom  of  expres-
     sion as other lists do.

        Of  course,  the other problem is that I don't own the machine
     the list is on so I would have to give passwords out to a  helper
     and  I  am  not sure that Andy Burnett (the owner of the machine)
     would appreciate it.  Then there is the fact that  the  majordomo
     software  is  fairly  limited  in it's capabilities and it really
     doesn't have an option for two or more administrators.

        The reason that I am telling you all of this is that  collect-
     ing, collating, and verifying the administrative information that
     I requested from you has become more of a task than I  anticipat-
     ed.  Along with that, I have received a number of private e-mails
     explaining why some people won't give me the  information  I  re-
     quested  and  these folks have been logical, compelling, and con-
     vincing in their reasoning.

        So, taking a chance on looking like a  complete  back-stepping
     fool  and  idiot,  I am removing my requirement of sending me the
     personal, administrative information that I had asked for.  Those
     of  you  who  had  sent me the data -- and others who had sent me
     their address and phone number -- please understand  and  be  as-
     sured that I will delete all of that information, I will not keep
     a copy of it, and I have not shared it with any one else.  I will
     keep  the subscriptions closed -- that is I will have to manually
     approve subscriptions that come  in  so  that I can act  on  sub-
     scribers  that  look  suspicious -- but no one has to send me the
     administrative information I had previously requested.

        Going back to the first sentence of this post, one of the rea-
     sons  that I am so tired right now is that I have some health is-
     sues that are nagging me.  So, I guess it is time to "come out of
     the  closet"  and  let everybody on-list know that I have Parkin-
     son's Disease.

        A while back, there was a thread on-list  about  who  was  the
     "greatest" GFR fan.  At that time, in his usual, humorous manner,
     Jim Maijala had suggested that I was  the  greatest  fan  because
     (with  my job) I travel around the country and meet and talk with
     all of the other "roadkill"ers.  I should have said something  at
     the  time,  but  I was (and still am) very embarrassed about this
     disease.  I do most anything to try to hide the visible  symptoms
     of  my  condition, and one of the things I had taken to doing was
     *not* announcing travel plans on-list  and  letting  people  know
     when I was going to be in their area of the country so I wouldn't
     have to hide anything or try to explain things.

        Some  of  you  have met me when my symptoms were showing and I
     was feeling particularly bad; some of you have met me when I have
     been  able to hide my symptoms and have felt okay.  But, I figure
     that it is time that everybody knows the truth  so  that  when  I
     *do*  start announcing my travel destinations again, you can make
     the decision as to whether you want to meet with me or  not.   If
     you  are  at all interested, I have put together a (quite lengthy
     and long) story/journal of my experiences with  Parkinson's  Dis-
     ease  on  my  web site.  It will take a while to load but you can
     read it at:

                 http://wap.parrette.net/wapTremorStory.html

        I would like to wrap up this -- as usual, too long -- note  by
     saying these past couple of weeks have been great on-list.  Aside
     from the two off-topic threads which went on on-list  a  bit  too
     long,  you  folks have been using the list for exactly what I had
     envisioned it to be used for: to chat about, to discuss, to  pro-
     mote  the  best  band in the land -- *the* American Band -- Grand
     Funk Railroad.  And, I am really proud to be a very small part of
     this wonderful cyber-family.

        Thank you for "listening," take care, keep Shinin' On, and al-
     ways grok in fullness ...

Bill
wap@parrette.net

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:11:12 -0800
Subject: Mark and Mel

Hi all,

Many have been wondering what Mark and Mel have been up to.

Mel received a new snowplow for his 4 wheel drive pick-up from his wife
Dena, and son JB, for Christmas.  He has been busy plowing a "maze" of
roads all over his farm property near Traverse City.  He is enjoying the
break, and his time with his family.  Mel is considering putting together
an electronic "Schach-box", commercially, for bass players.  this has been
a project that had been put on "hold" during the last couple of years.

Mark has been busy updating his studio, in his spare time.  He has been
real busy with his other businesses, and recently landed a contract with a
major corporation to supply emergency power generators to them.  He just
purchased a new computer, and has been updating his software.  He is
looking forward to recording again in the near future.

They are both thrilled that GSGP really did come out. After all that they
have been going through with Capitol, they had a "we'll believe it when we
see it" attitude about the project.  Mark's words when I told him it was in
the stores - "Praise the Lord!"

Take care,

Steve

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:58:07 -0800
Subject: WEA is in the works

Hi,

I just wanted to let you people know that "Lives!", "What's Funk", and
Mark's first two solo lp's (on Atlantic) are being gone after.  I have
established a contact at WEA, and we are at stage 1 - beginning to talk
about what's available.

We may have a link to a "John Austin" at WEA up soon.  If it worked
once...........

God bless,

Steve

------------------------------

From: Steve Lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:36:24 -0800
Subject: GSGP availability

 According to a source at A&R, one of the reasons that GSGP is getting hard
to find is because all of the initial order of 10,000 units was not pressed.
The order of approximately 5,000 units placed by the Walmart/Kmart buyer has
not been completely filled; it was made after the initial press run was set,
and they received a large part of the first run.  More units are scheduled
for pressing in the near future.  This is still a limited run of disks, but
is probably the "biggest hit" that Hippo has had. Hopefully, there will be
plenty in the racks when the VH-1 show gets aired.

Remember that sales for "gold" status is 250,000.  A hard number to reach
for a reissue by anybody.

Take care,

Steve

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:28:20 -0800
Subject: anthology changes

There have been a couple of changes to the "Anthology" song contents. I
have changed the line-up on Mark's website after getting an update from
David Tedds.

My job has had me bogged down for the last several weeks, and I haven't
been real good about answering my mail.  I will try to do some in the next
few days.

Steve

------------------------------

From: "ricky smith" <rickysmith@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:35:06 PST
Subject: ratrape

have we forget this person? those who are attacking mark,this was what
he/she did.we lost some GREAT ONES OFF this list because of them.IS
RATRAPE BACK ON THE LIST? I THOUGH THIS ATTACKING PEOPLES WAS NOT GOING
TO BE DONE ON LINE. BILL WAS ABOUT READY TO CLOSE DOWN THE LIST.IS THAT
WHAT WE WANT? TAKE CARE AND REMEMBER WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. IF
GFR DONT TOUR ,WE STILL HAVE EACH OTHER.

             RICKY(GOING FOR THE PASTOR)SMITH

------------------------------

From: rich fiser <spook7@marshallnet.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:10:20 -0600
Subject: Re: ratrape

Actually, this Ratrape thing was attacking members of Roadkill and seemed to
know ahead of time that GFR was through for now. I do agree that all this
nonsense of attacking Mark is pointless but mostly it is just venting. A lot
of these people "venting" I guess are mad because they feel that it is a bad
business decision. I agree but things will be what they are. No one really
hates Mark because to hate mark is to hate GFR. My $.02 worth.         Peace

Spook$

ricky smith wrote:

> have we forget this person? those who are attacking mark,this was what
> he/she did. REMEMBER WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. IF
> GFR DONT TOUR ,WE STILL HAVE EACH OTHER.
>
>              RICKY(GOING FOR THE PASTOR)SMITH

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:26:02 -0800
Subject: Mark and GFR

Greetings friends,

Even though Mark will be doing his solo thing this year, as he has been
saying he will for quite sometime, when I ask him about the future of GFR,
he says that he has learned to "never say never."

It's true that the song selection of the last tour was not what Mark would
have liked, and various situations were not as Mark would have liked (he
was only one vote in three), but the bottom line is that we got to see the
band perform together again - something none of us would have ever imagined.

Take advantage of seeing Mark play the GFR songs that he chooses, and enjoy!

Mark is putting together a very good band, planning an extensive tour,  has
written many very good new tunes (that were not wanted by GFR), is planning
a great show, and has much enthusiasm. While he'll play songs from
throughout his career, this will not be a "Christian music" show.
Remember, the songs he will be playing are songs that would not be played
by GFR.  If Mark didn't do this tour, we would never see any of these songs
played "live"!  I think we all had enough of the "greatest hits" show and
it's time to move on.

By the way - Mark does not deserve the flames he has been recieving on this
forum.  His character is beyond reproach.  During much of the tour last
summer, his wife and 10 year old son were with him - they are his priority.
 Whether you like his music, or not, is your business.  No artist will ever
please everybody, but as a person, Mark stands second to none.  For the
last couple of months he has been caring for his wife, who has been
bedridden recovering from major surgery.  All of the household
responsibilities have been carried out by Mark, as any loving husband and
father would do.  Please don't compare him to an uncaring lout!

Steve

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:58:12 -0800
Subject: Howard Eddy

About Howard:

Howard was asked by Mark to play in his new band, but Howard has since
dropped out of the music biz.  He now works for Gorton's Frozen Foods in
the Flint area.  He is finally enjoying a family life, as is his family.

Yes, he really enjoys a regular job with regular hours, regular pay, and
real benifits.

Mark was disappointed, but understands the reality of the situation.  The
life on the road is a hard life, and if you don't have record royalties,
songwriting royalties, and product endorsement checks, there is no paycheck.

I talked with Dennis Bellinger this past summer and he said the same thing.
 Even bands like GFR and the Mark Farner Band get screwed by under-funded
or crooked promoters.  Dennis has found life as a deejay on an easy
listening station and as a volunteer fireman to be great.  After having put
his bass down for ten years, he now gets his musical kicks playing local
Flint back country bar gigs with other Flint area musician friends for fun.
 Since he is a friend of Howards, I can imagine Howard will be playing some
of these "fun" gigs also.  Maybe as they could call themselves the "Funked
Brothers".

Good luck to Howard.

Steve


------------------------------

From: steve lisuk <slisuk@softcom.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:31:02 -0800
Subject: Farner tax

In response to Rick Keiderling's suggestion to help Mark with his taxes:
FORGET IT!  Please don't insult the man by suggesting that he needs help in
paying taxes, or use it as an excuse to sell bootlegs.

Mark is fighting a battle to prove a point.  The government has too much
power and control over our lives.  He could have taken the easy way out,
and ante'd up; in true Farner fashion he drew a line in the sand.  Enough
is enough.  They have already paid millions in taxes; why should the
government have a right to your home and possessions, too?

Also, why on earth would anyone want to contribute to a fund to advertise
for this band.  It is their business - if they want to advertise, they can
pay for it and direct it anyway they want to.  It is one thing to help
build a grassroots movement by spreading the news by word of mouth, or
calling and e-mailing radiostations and newspapers, but contribute your
cash - forget it.  Let the band members, record companies, and publicity
people spend what they want, and take their tax deduction.  They've been in
this biz long enough to know what to do, and how they want to do it.  They
hire, and fire, the managers and publicity people that they want.
Remember, we're fans.

Steve

----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just bypassed several posts from "Bill Sterling" <silversrfr@Mindspring.com>.
But, I think we agreed that he was not "!!JAN!!"-related.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: steve lisuk 
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:34:19 -0800
Subject: Knight

Hi all,

I talked to Mark this morning about BTM, among other things.  He thought
that it was a good show, but said that the Terry bits were pretty much b.s.
 He will have his version of the legal mess up on his website early next
week.  The three months meant nothing when you're already losing everything.

Mark spent most of this week on the road picking up a load of generators to
fill orders that he has written.  He put close to 1500 miles on his truck
and trailer (that has neither a radio or tape deck).

He has finished up another song demo, the new band is just about lined up,
and the set list is being put together with rehearsals to begin in the near
future.  The names of the band members will be released soon, once their
commitments are firm.  The members are nationally known musicians.
commitments are firm.  The members are nationally known musicians.

more later,

Steve

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk 
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:43:31 -0800
Subject: audios

Hi again,

The audios in question that are on Rick's site are from a cassette of demo
tracks from the "Just Another Injustice" era.  Mark gave the cassette to a
fan in exchange for information leading to the return of the wood carving
that is pictured on the cover of that album.  The carving was stolen from
Mark while it was in the possession of Frontline records.  Mark had asked
the person that the tape not be copied, or distributed.  Gee, why does Mark
have a hard time trusting people?

Steve

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk 
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:51:51 -0800
Subject: concert dates

I have recieved many e-mails saying that they wish some of Mark's dates
were closer to their homes.  Don't despair!  More dates will be announced
very soon.  Remember last year - dates were being added as the tour was in
progress.

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk 
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:07:58 -0800
Subject: Mark update

Greetings,

Mark is working hard preparing for the summer tour.  It now appears that it
will be starting sooner than originally planned.  There is a new date on
5/31 in Lexington, Kentucky and a couple of potential dates are being
planned for late May on the deck of an aircraft carrier in New York City
(the USS Essex).  Several more shows have been added to the calendar.  D.J.
is assembling the road crew, and he will head the crew.

Mark and the band will be going to Europe in mid July for two weeks.  Two
dates in Bulgaria have been inked, with more to follow.  Mark plans on
entertaining the U.S. troops in Bosnia as part of this tour.

Hey, brothers and sisters in Europe call your local promoters, and give
them Bobby's number.  Have Mark play in your town!!!

The energy business has been going through the roof for Mark.  Sales are
booming for Mark's generators.  It is difficult to fit in everything at
this time.  The band is rehearsing together in N. Michigan and Mark has
more new tunes that he wants to record.  He has sent in demos of 11 new
ones for the cd, and has more to put down on tape.

------------------------------

From: steve lisuk 
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:34:22 -0800
Subject: gfr

I had a long talk with Mark tonight.  He had sent me a new posting for his
website that included a statement about the future of his involvement with
gfr projects.  I posted the message without the gfr statement because I
wanted him to explain it in more detail, because of the anxiousness of the
Roadkill fans.

Mark will be posting a message about his involvement with gfr very soon.

In response to people interested in info regarding his energy business, he
said that at this time he is not able to service anything more than the
immediate Northern Michigan area.  After his tour he will be gearing up to
service a larger market area.  He will have to hire more employees, and
have the time to get "reorganized".

For the people that have requested autographed photo's - Mark will honor
your requests.  Send your name and address to me, and I will forward it to
him.  There will be a minimal charge for the cost of the photo and postage.
 I will let you know how much, as soon as Mark finds out.

It looks like the tour will now kick off on May 28-29 in New York City, on
the carrier USS Essex.  As soon as I get the latest official schedule from
BRC, I'll update the site. Talks are also in progress with a Russian
promoter about a Moscow show and shows are being planned for the troops in
Bosnia.  Mark is preparing two shows - one for festivals (he is limited to
60 minutes) and a longer show for the headlining shows.

GFR songs being worked up include "Anybody's Answer", "Call Yourself A
Man", "Winter and My Soul", "Aimless Lady", "Hooked On Love", "Comfort Me",
"Footstompin' Music", "Save the Land", "People Let's Stop the War", "No
Lies", "Flight of the Phoenix", "Creepin", "The Railroad", "Little Johnny
Hooker", "Politician", "Don't Let 'em Take Your Gun", "El Salvador", "R 'n
R American Style", among others (I know that I should write it all down,
but.....).

Solo material includes "Social Disaster", "He Sent Me You", "If It Took All
Day", "Judgement Day Blues", "Love From Above", "Isn't It Amazing", "The
Vision", and others that I know I'll remember as soon as I finish this
post.  Look for a couple of new tunes also.  I will post the final set list
as soon as possible.

He is extremely excited about this summers tour, going to Europe, and his
new songs.

He assured me that there will be West Coast dates added in the near future
(I started working at a new hospital in Sacramento this year, and my
vacation/travel time is limited).

Bueno,

Steve

------------------------------

From: Steve Lisuk 
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:34:32 -0700
Subject: Mark

Hi all,

Mark has been on vacation with his family for the past week-and-a-half.  I
will not bother him on vacation.  I'm surprised that there haven't been any
Roadkill "Farner sitings" in Florida.

His tour is in the early stages of booking.  Mark insists that he is booked
in all areas, including places that GFR would never play.  People
everywhere deserve to enjoy his music "live".  There are more dates being
added, but cannot be announced until there are contracts signed.

It's just too bad that some "fans" feel like Mark, or any artist, is
obligated to do what other people "know is the right thing to do".
Everyone is allowed to have a life to do what they want to do without it
being picked apart by anybody.

Why do people insist that they "know" what is right for Mark and/or GFR?
Mark wants to do his own tour and play his music.  He is no fool.  He knows
that there could be a "big payday" with a continuation of GFR dates; but
for his personal reasons, he chooses not too.

Mark has recieved threatening letters trying to force him back with GFR,
and people have tried to pressure him into it.  Actions like this make him
wish that he never would have gotten together for the reunion in the first
place.

He knows that there are other "high powered" managment teams around.  After
being lied to, stolen from, and kicked around like somebody's pawn by other
management types, he knows that Bobby Roberts is the same kind of person as
himself.  Mark has known, and has been represented by Bobby for over 10
years.  Mark values integrity over money anyday.

I am greatful that I got to see GFR six times over the last couple of
years, but to tell you the truth, I got tired of the same show over and
over again.  Attendance on the tour started falling off; small venues were
not selling out.  It was time for a change.

Mark's solo career spans 20 years; his GFR career (counting reunions)
covers half that.  I am glad to see my friend excited about being able to
continue with what makes him the happiest.

If Don and Mel want to tour, let them tour.  I'll go see and enjoy them.  I
always was sorry that I missed out on seeing "Flint".  Dennis Bellinger
told me that the Flint concert that he attended was one of the best
concerts he ever saw.  Why not e-mail Don and encourage him to do the
"Flint" thing again?  The world will not end if GFR doesn't ever play
together again.  Maybe someday they will, maybe they won't.  Why are some
people so bent out of shape?

Give these guys a break.

We all enjoyed the tour, we have the "Bosnia" cd, we loved the VH-1 show,
we are all enjoying GSGP,  many of the fans have met the band, Sunny's book
is out,  Billy James' book is due out soon, and we have the "Anthology" to
look forward to.  That's plenty of GFR to digest for a while.

It's time to move on, people.  If you want to see Mark play, go to one of
his shows this summer, but don't compare it to GFR.  It is another
ass-kicking rock band.  If you want to see Don and Mel play, encourage them
to go out.  If you don't, then stay home and enjoy the cd's and books.

Mark Farner is one of the hardest working, most honest people I know.  He
gives 100% in everything he does.

SL

------------------------------

From: "C.T RailRoos" 
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:01:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Mark, talking about "JAN "

Shure you right in much, but nobody blaim him for going solo,those
threatening letters maight come from somone like this felow:  JAN a
Farner solo fan reemember him ??!!
I can tell You this Jan is not sitting with hes arms in cross when
this oportunity comes up, He did everything he could to destroy the
mailinglist!! I dont thing any of those 300 roadkill list members
threatening Mark Farner, an official person like Farner can
somethimes get letters like this even I have some nasty letters
sometimes but not from Roadkill ( Iàm subscribed to over 100
newsgroups all over the world.)

But It would be stupid to Quit Grand Funk forever and Farner is No
fool,The problem here I think is that he goes Solo when som much is
going on and are coming up and all whaiting for that statment about
the future talking about the frustration to not knowing whats going
on "behinde the doors !!

It could be MF own Fans that are sending him threatening letters  JAN
for example ?!!

Regards RailRoos


>From: Bud Schaefer 
>Reply-To: Bud Schaefer 
>To: grand-funk@roadkill.com
>Subject: Mark
>Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:26:05 -0400
>
>Go ahead and flame me but why should Mark Farner ever even consider
>going  out with GFR after his solo stuff.  He has received
threatening
>letters because he isn't doing what some people want him to do?   To
bad
>GET OVER IT.  He sees now that some people aren't true fans.  They
only
>want their way.  Mark doesn't owe anybody anything.  He is and
>entertainer period.  He has the right to entertain anyway he wants.
BTW
>I've seen Mark solo many times I think he is great.  He wrote most of
>GFR tunes he has the right to sing them.
>


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From: "C.T RailRoos" 
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:37:49 GMT
Subject: "Jan letters"

Hi Steve Lisiuk !
- -About those letters ,I think You can tell Farner they truly came
from this felow "JAN" remeber this felow a couple of months ago tryin
hes best to split the mailiglist apart, and very strange was that he
seams to be a Farner die hard fan !!

So I woulden`t blaim GFR fans for nasty mails I`ts more truly this
"JAN put hes sick plan i work right now , after all we saw under
those months on Roadkill from " JAN before Bill Parette blocked him ,
You can be shure hes not sitting with hes arms in cross !!

I think Farner even gonna get som more negative letters in future
Iàm sorry to say.

Regards Thomas alias "Railroos.


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From: "C.T RailRoos" 
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:20:55 GMT
Subject: RE: Mark "Fundamentalistic Funkfan

Maight be an fanatic "Jan ?!

>From: "Dee Wilkinson" 
>Reply-To: "Dee Wilkinson" 
>To: , , 
>Subject: RE: Mark
>Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:42:39 -0400
>
>I never brought this up before, but when we saw GFR in Williamsport,
PA, a
>couple was escorted out of the place by police.  The woman was
crying or
>whatever, and saying how much her husband/boyfriend loved the band,
how it
>was his life! etc.  Someone said that the band was being stalked.  I
guess
>this couple had gotten "fake" backstage passes somehow.  Mark, Don,
& Mel
>still came out afterwards and we got some autographs.
>
>Dee
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com
>[mailto:owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com]On Behalf Of TEXs308@aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 8:32 AM
>To: bud_kathy@fuse.net; grand-funk@roadkill.com
>Subject: Re: Mark
>
>
>In a message dated 4/13/99 6:33:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
>bud_kathy@fuse.net writes:
>
><< He has received threatening
> letters because he isn't doing what some people want him to do? >>
>
>I find it really really hard to believe Marks gettin hate because
he's goin
>solo. You know how rumors go!  "if"  it is true they have some sic
pups out
>there. Plus i can remember back it was also rumored Mark was gettin
phone
>calls at his house plus gettin harassed by a fan, and this is when
he was
>with grand funk (didnt mention that did ya steve! ) so if this is
true no
>matter WHAT band he goes to there will be a few psychos followin.
>


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From: Steve Lisuk 
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:29:18 -0700
Subject: hornet's nest

Nothing like a lively discussion among family, that's for sure!  There have
been no threats coming from roadkill people (although heated talk).  The
threats (ultimatums)sp? I'm talking about come from within the business.
Yes, show business can be brutal.   Mark has nothing but the highest regard
for his fans and friends.  You can rest assured that he doesn't read
roadkill mail - feel free to discuss anything.

Remember Mark will not be doing any GFR songs on his tour, but will be
doing Mark Farner songs that were recorded by GFR.

I'm not in Mark's back pocket as has been suggested by some; as I've said
before he and I have been friends since we were crazy young men (30 years).
 I care about him as a brother.  I've known Mel and Dena for over 20 years;
they are also great friends with other members of my family.  I love them
very much, they're wonderful people.  It's only been the last few years
that I've known the Brewers; I think they are also great people.

I agree with everybody on this list - I want GFR to be together more than
anything else.  Unfortunately that is not the case at this time.  I always
look for the bright side of a situation; it makes the day more pleasant.  I
am looking forward to Mark's tour because I enjoy his music.  I don't care
if it's in some small club, large festival, or on my home stereo - he
writes good music.  His songs are truly inspirational, and genuine.  To see
him play them live is a real treat.

I think that too many people are just extremely disappointed because of the
great times we all had over the last couple of years, and they think that
their good times are over.  Not true.  We waited 20 years for GFR to get
back together, now we're getting flooded with new GFR merchandise, plus we
get to see Mark do his music - the best of both worlds!

"Party on dudes" - Wayne Campbell

Steve



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