From: owner-grand-funk To: grand-funk-digest Subject: grand-funk-digest V1 #98 Reply-To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Errors-To: owner-grand-funk Precedence: bulk grand-funk-digest Thursday, 17 July 1997 Volume 01 : Number 098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Creamx5@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Soapbox time dear stan,then what the hell quit the roadkill crew.sincerly steven m ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Recent disagreements Hi all, I'll have to admit that I was saddened a bit today after read- ing through the disagreements that have occurred on the list re- cently. It isn't so much that I was saddened by the disagree- ments themselves as I was over the fact that we lost at least one subscriber over it. True to his word, RCinSinCty@aol.com unsubscribed from the list shortly after sending that last message. We have had many people subscribe for a short time and then unsubscribe when the determined that the list wasn't quite their "cup of tea." But I believe that this is the first unsubscribe that we have had due to an argument on list. And, that makes me sad. I didn't step in and try to mediate the disagreement -- quite honestly, it was a lot less heated than some of the flame-fests that I have witnessed on other lists. I really thought that, eventually, all parties would agree to disagree and that would be all there was to it. Unfortunately, that was not the case. To all of you who had sent messages to the list asking RCinSinCty@aol.com to stay on, unfortunately, they were not seen by him. I am "Cc: "ing him on this message and would like to in- vite him back as soon as he feels comfortable with the idea. If anybody else wants to send their thoughts, you will have to e- mail him directly. And, if I could suggest (as someone else already has), if you find yourself feeling the need to flame somebody (argue or dis- agree heatedly), please don't waste the 'Net bandwidth by sending it to the list and having it resent to all 175+ subscribers -- I can't think of too many folks who enjoy watching people argue anyway. So, *please*, if you feel the need to argue, take the "discussion" to private e-mail. This way, the list will be a happier place for all. As the list administrator, I'll try to watch a little more closely and attempt to head off any more problems before they get out of hand. Thanks for your attention, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Grand Funk chat. Take care, grok in fullness (please!) ... Bill-- ...who defines Adult as one who is old enough to know better. +--------------------------+--------------------------+------------------+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | (42?) | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| -\\|//- / | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | o o | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+-uuu--U--uuu------+ ------------------------------ From: BROTHERBONES@webtv.net (BROTHER BONES) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:43:34 -0400 Subject: GFR>MGR.=>address n phone # yo been tryin to email >DAVID FISHOF for 2 months>not 1 reply! seen some postings where people wanted his address wellhere it is> david fishof presents 272W 71ST ST NY,NY10023 CALL>1-212-757-1605 DO us all a favor ask>about theDARK! video,,,,,the cancelled shows! the PPV he said would be done of the sept bosnia show with gfr/u2/others.... PLEASE EMAIL ME>IF N THATS ABIG IF HE ANSWERS! THANKS !!!!!! STEVE/NJ ------------------------------ From: LMcdan1313@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Funk roadkill comraderie (Was: Re: Funk vocals and such.....) I am an original AOLer and am on roadkill, Larry ------------------------------ From: In2theSon@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK!4Sure! I had to wait until 3:50pm to post and have had all day to savor the flavor of last night in Little Rock! ....HOLY MOLY! (I didn't just say that, did I?) Grand Funk Railroad! They were better than I remember them and more creative in their presentation of music. CTH/IYC was juiced up and th' whole house was singing it...the same with Some Kind of Wonderful. They started *Are You Ready* and everyone sit there like they were in shock... I know I was in shock! What was really wierd is that last time I saw them the crowd was mostly teenager...But now, when I looked around I thought, what are all these old folks doin' here, and realized, I'm one of 'em! When *Heartbreaker* broke into its "rage-of-rock-and-roll," the place jump to their feet and didn't sit much after that. It was about the best time I've had in a long time! Randy Stowe is a great host (the OB's got GOOD shrimp!)....His wife, Kim is very sweet and gracious, even when she had to return to the car for the markers I forgot (thank you), she chose not to punch my lights out. More later - gotta go! Joe ------------------------------ From: LMcdan1313@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! Last night in Little Rock, Grand Funk Rocked! Right on Randy, thanks for organizing the meeting and meeting the RKers from everywhere. The show was tremendous! 2 hours of great GRANDFUNKIN rock and roll. In today's Ark. Gazette newspaper is a picture of Farner jamming with the governor but not a word of the show. I guess they are still the people's band. Larry ------------------------------ From: Mike Adair Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:03:48 -0700 Subject: GSGP: The First Tape With Mick Catalano's permission, I can present to you roadkillers who are interested a sound file of the group's version of Heartbreaker. Obviously, I won't post it to roadkill because it't too large (approximately 290K with the player). If any of you wish to obtain this, E-Mail me personally and I'll e-mail you a zipped file (290K) or the sound file and player (400K total). I think it sounded da** good for a group of guys on their first try! In Funk Mike ------------------------------ From: LMcdan1313@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mark preaching on stage He doesn't so why don't we drop it, ok? this is getting to be beating a dead horse to death. ------------------------------ From: GHA6001@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Official webpage, and Aug. 23 Orlando Concert date ? To All my Brothers and Sisters: I called Universal Studio's in Orlando, FL. to verify the concert as per the official GFR homepage tour info., and guess what? They have no GFR scheduled for that date. The girl who answered the phone did not even know who or what GFR was. I told her she must be young as you know what. Can anyone out there in our Roadkill gang explain this misinformation on the concert schedule. I live in Clearwater, and was excited about the Orlando concert, and now here I sit dumbfounded about this "offical" web site with innacurate concert info. If by the luck of the concert gods and GFR is to play Orlando I would like to get together with any Roadkill members before and after the concert to tip a few beers. Maybe Sunny can get us backstage to meet the boys. Any and all info. on this "problem" would be great. Keep on Funkin George ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! > In today's Ark. Gazette newspaper is a picture of Farner jamming with the > governor but not a word of the show. What's this about Farner jamming with the governor? Phil - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:42:18 -0500 Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! Phil Catalano wrote: > What's this about Farner jamming with the governor? > > Phil Hi Phil, You can check out the online version at: http://ardemgaz.com/today/whuck16.html I don't think they have the photograph to go with it though. Randy ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Official webpage, and Aug. 23 Orlando Concert date ? On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 GHA6001@aol.com wrote: > To All my Brothers and Sisters: > I called Universal Studio's in Orlando, FL. to verify the concert as > per the official GFR homepage tour info., and guess what? They have > no GFR scheduled for that date. The girl who answered the phone did > not even know who or what GFR was. I told her she must be young as > you know what. Can anyone out there in our Roadkill gang explain this > misinformation on the concert schedule. I live in Clearwater, and was > excited about the Orlando concert, and now here I sit dumbfounded > about this "offical" web site with innacurate concert info. If by the > luck of the concert gods and GFR is to play Orlando I would like to > get together with any Roadkill members before and after the concert to > tip a few beers. Maybe Sunny can get us backstage to meet the boys. Any > and all info. on this "problem" would be great. > Keep on Funkin > George > George, This is quite typical for the GFR shows. The venues are usually the last people to find out about a GFR show. And sometimes they'll even know about it but won't reveal the information??? It's probably just not "official" yet. We went through this same thing with just about all of the shows. Unbelievable? YES! So just hang in there and keep checking and sooner or later it might actually be official. Now, as far as being "dumbfounded about this 'offical' web site with innacurate concert info." Join the crowd! Don't be surprised by anything with this whole GFR thing. The Orlando gig may or may not be innacurate, only time will tell. But with the way these people have been running the show over there, nothing would surprise me! Hope that eases the pain a little bit! Funkin' Phil - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:16:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Randy Stowe wrote: > Phil Catalano wrote: > > > What's this about Farner jamming with the governor? > > > > Phil > > Hi Phil, > You can check out the online version at: > > http://ardemgaz.com/today/whuck16.html > > I don't think they have the photograph to go with it though. > > Randy > Randy, Thanks alot! I just went out there and checked it...pretty cool! Phil - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= ------------------------------ From: Pamuska@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: help Hi, could any of you guys give me the dates of when the albums were released or at least point me to a web site that could help me. Mick ------------------------------ From: "Mike & Lorrie" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:33:00 -0400 Subject: Mark's preaching I don't know what the big deal is about whether Mark preached from the stage or not. I just want to see them again, I don't care what he does! I wouldn't be surprised if he did though. He has always been the kind of person who speaks up for what he believes. I remember when he started politicizing his songs( about the Viet-Nam war, over-population, etc.) and I wasn't crazy about it because I didn't think that was the forum for it, and it cost them alot of fans also. But I still admired him for standing up for what he believed. ------------------------------ From: Tony Cawthorne Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:30:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Texas Fans Shane Hall wrote: > > I just wanted to see how many Texas-based fans there are out there in > Funkland. I'm in Brownwood in central Texas. Sooner or later the boys > will have to play in Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston or San Antonio (Dallas-Ft > Worth is closest for me). > I saw Mark at the Prohibition Room in Dallas in '88 (the show was billed > as Mark Farner's tribute to Grand Funk Railroad). Also saw him at the > city park in Stephenville the same year. He was playing to prerecorded > music and only sang his Christian songs and yes, he did sermon a little > between songs. > > shane Shane, Hey I was at that show at the Prohibition Room in 88, it was a Great show! I lived in Dallas the last 16 years but just this year moved to Atlanta, GA. to take a job with a software co. here. Anyway back to the subject. I was at that show sat right up front next to a DJ from KZEW (remember them?) anyway they took me backstage to meet Mark. This concert was one of many with the band "Adrenalin" (sp?) They were a good backup band. Mark did talk a little about his beliefs both durring the show and when I met him backstage, but he really didn't do anything that I would call preaching, what I remember most was the fact that they really ROCKED it was a Great show. Did you see Farner with Ringo at the Starplex?? Mark stole that one for sure!!. Just a question then u can shoot me: If you had something you believed to be the greatest thing in the world(weather it was or not) wouldn't ya wanna share it with the people u cared about?? Peace, T.C. ------------------------------ From: Tony Cawthorne Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:33:46 -0400 Subject: Re: unscribing!? Nancy Barravecchio wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:55:34 > >To: RCinSinCty@aol.com > >From: Nancy Barravecchio > >Subject: unscribing!? > > > >Anyway; I'm tired of the whole conversation; and i'm tired of the list, just > >too many postings; And i'm really tired of the grammer and spelling police on > >her-who gives a flying funk; must be (annel) english teachers, I'm > >unsuscribing as soon as I finish this letter, all my friends drop me an > >e-mail from time to time. I'll still e-mail the list with any GFR bootleg and > >Video information I get. > > > > > > Rick ; ) > > > > Rick please don't unscribe, I find your input and your writting > informative, challenging, funny, and when needed awakening......something > that the list needs. Don't let the heat get you to walk away from the > kitchen. Especially over something no one has proof on. I do agree that > this subject is getting to the point of overkill...but it will pass. If > everyone would take a step back and realize that for whatever agreements > were made between the three of them, the boys got back together. And that is > what all of us wanted right....So why the arguing over it. > > > > I am sure that all of us on roadkill have had the life experience's that > will teach us that even the closest of friends have differences and when > making business ventures together compromises have to be made. So "if" Mark > did preach when he was on the road by himself and "if" he was asked or > signed an agreement not to on the road with GFR who cares that is for Mark > Don and Mel to work out not for us to bicker over. And it is especially not > a reason to leave the list! Just when things are coming around to all of > roadkill members favor. It seems like without GFR we would never have > gotten to meet each other personally or over the cyberlines, and with them > getting back together, our voices have been heard by them up close and > personally. How often do you think that happens? > > > >Rick shut down your mail for a day and think about it, but please think > twice before you leave the list. Your opinion matters just as much as all of > ours. And whether sometimes other members agree with you or they don't that > just makes it more involving. Its like a second family with arguments and > all. But just like every family the fights are worth it because when the > good times come they wash away all the bad feelings and put a smile on your > face when you lay your head down at the end of the day......Please stay on.... > > > In Love and Light, Nancy B. Let me just add my name to the long list of people who would really hate to see you go. I find your input here both informative and friendly and would miss u if u choose to go! Peace Bro! T.C. ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Texas Fans I lived in Dallas from '94-'96 and saw Farner somewhere in Ft. Worth, I believe, within this time period. Were any of y'all there? He blew that place away! I was so psyched to see him because I hadn't heard anything from him for years and then all of a sudden he's playing at some club. What a show! Phil On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Tony Cawthorne wrote: > Shane Hall wrote: > > > > I just wanted to see how many Texas-based fans there are out there in > > Funkland. I'm in Brownwood in central Texas. Sooner or later the boys > > will have to play in Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston or San Antonio (Dallas-Ft > > Worth is closest for me). > > I saw Mark at the Prohibition Room in Dallas in '88 (the show was billed > > as Mark Farner's tribute to Grand Funk Railroad). Also saw him at the > > city park in Stephenville the same year. He was playing to prerecorded > > music and only sang his Christian songs and yes, he did sermon a little > > between songs. > > > > shane > > Shane, > Hey I was at that show at the Prohibition Room in 88, it was a Great > show! I lived in Dallas the last 16 years but just this year moved to > Atlanta, GA. to take a job with a software co. here. Anyway back to the > subject. I was at that show sat right up front next to a DJ from KZEW > (remember them?) anyway they took me backstage to meet Mark. This > concert was one of many with the band "Adrenalin" (sp?) They were a good > backup band. Mark did talk a little about his beliefs both durring the > show and when I met him backstage, but he really didn't do anything that > I would call preaching, what I remember most was the fact that they > really ROCKED it was a Great show. Did you see Farner with Ringo at the > Starplex?? Mark stole that one for sure!!. > > Just a question then u can shoot me: > > If you had something you believed to be the greatest thing in the > world(weather it was or not) wouldn't ya wanna share it with the people > u cared about?? > > > Peace, > T.C. > - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= ------------------------------ From: Creamx5@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mark preaching on stage question of gossipp;what are mel and marks wives names?sincerly steve drake ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:52:29 -0500 Subject: Sunny Q Hey Gang, I've been trying to e-mail Sunny since last night, but I keep getting a "User Unknown" message. Anybody know what's up? Randy ------------------------------ From: RobRush54@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Official webpage, and Aug. 23 Orlando Concert date ? Hey George, I live in Kissimmee. I'll keep checking locally for any info. Also I checked Ticketmaster and Pollstar with no luck. Lets keep our collective fingers crossed!!! Rob ------------------------------ From: Leo Bartoli Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:09:09 -0400 Subject: RE: Soapbox time Yea Stan, but given we are human and damaged at that, we all have our hot buttons, and enjoy all the attention we can get while defending ourselves! (Not me of course, a....sure....) Leo - -----Original Message----- From: pacer@jtasc.acom.mil [SMTP:pacer@jtasc.acom.mil] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 1:03 PM To: Ljb Subject: Soapbox time OK, gang, I guess I have kept my mouth closed long enough. All this bickering over really petty stuff needs to stop. I, and I suspect most of us, got into this Roadkill thing for several reasons: a love of GFRR, a desire for information, and a chance to share with other GFRR folks. For the most part, this has been the case. And, I believe Roadkill has played a significant role in the band's mini-resurgence. However, I did not get into this to witness often meaningless arguments between persons I don't really know and on topics that I don't much care about. I can participate in arguments at home, work, etc. I really don't need them here, and I don't see where they provide benefit to the Roadkill gang. I just end up quickly viewing them and finding the delete key. Nancy has the right idea. And she made me realize one more thing. My wife and I are very private people. We have our cats, a dog and a very small group of close friends. The Roadkill gang is my social group. I can be assured that something is posted every day that I didn't know and am glad to find out. But I can really live without the bickering. I have a suggestion. If you think your posting falls into a "bickering" category, why not send it directly to the person you choose to bicker with and spare the rest of us? I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone. I'd just like to see us take the high road while we're on this train. Peace, Stan Stan Pace U.S. Atlantic Command Joint Training, Analysis and Simulation Center ------------------------------ From: Leo Bartoli Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:30:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Recent disagreements Hi Bill. I think you used good judgement tolerating the situation as you did. I was not offended by what was happening. I'm also sorry to see Rick go, and I think he knows it. Just the same, I think if he gets back on, it should be if and when he is OK with it, and not as a result of persuasive preaching.... (sorry, couldn't resist...Leo - -----Original Message----- From: wap@one.net [SMTP:wap@one.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 6:13 PM To: Ljb Subject: Recent disagreements Hi all, I'll have to admit that I was saddened a bit today after read- ing through the disagreements that have occurred on the list re- cently. It isn't so much that I was saddened by the disagree- ments themselves as I was over the fact that we lost at least one subscriber over it. True to his word, RCinSinCty@aol.com unsubscribed from the list shortly after sending that last message. We have had many people subscribe for a short time and then unsubscribe when the determined that the list wasn't quite their "cup of tea." But I believe that this is the first unsubscribe that we have had due to an argument on list. And, that makes me sad. I didn't step in and try to mediate the disagreement -- quite honestly, it was a lot less heated than some of the flame-fests that I have witnessed on other lists. I really thought that, eventually, all parties would agree to disagree and that would be all there was to it. Unfortunately, that was not the case. To all of you who had sent messages to the list asking RCinSinCty@aol.com to stay on, unfortunately, they were not seen by him. I am "Cc: "ing him on this message and would like to in- vite him back as soon as he feels comfortable with the idea. If anybody else wants to send their thoughts, you will have to e- mail him directly. And, if I could suggest (as someone else already has), if you find yourself feeling the need to flame somebody (argue or dis- agree heatedly), please don't waste the 'Net bandwidth by sending it to the list and having it resent to all 175+ subscribers -- I can't think of too many folks who enjoy watching people argue anyway. So, *please*, if you feel the need to argue, take the "discussion" to private e-mail. This way, the list will be a happier place for all. As the list administrator, I'll try to watch a little more closely and attempt to head off any more problems before they get out of hand. Thanks for your attention, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Grand Funk chat. Take care, grok in fullness (please!) ... Bill-- ...who defines Adult as one who is old enough to know better. +--------------------------+--------------------------+------------------+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | (42?) | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| -\\|//- / | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | o o | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+-uuu--U--uuu------+ ------------------------------ From: Leo Bartoli Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:57:26 -0400 Subject: RE: Texas Fans TC. Are you suggesting I share my girlfriend!!!! Leo, who can be real corny if desperate....... - -----Original Message----- From: TC@Myself.com [SMTP:TC@Myself.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 8:56 PM To: Ljb Subject: Re: Texas Fans Shane Hall wrote: > > I just wanted to see how many Texas-based fans there are out there in > Funkland. I'm in Brownwood in central Texas. Sooner or later the boys > will have to play in Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston or San Antonio (Dallas-Ft > Worth is closest for me). > I saw Mark at the Prohibition Room in Dallas in '88 (the show was billed > as Mark Farner's tribute to Grand Funk Railroad). Also saw him at the > city park in Stephenville the same year. He was playing to prerecorded > music and only sang his Christian songs and yes, he did sermon a little > between songs. > > shane Shane, Hey I was at that show at the Prohibition Room in 88, it was a Great show! I lived in Dallas the last 16 years but just this year moved to Atlanta, GA. to take a job with a software co. here. Anyway back to the subject. I was at that show sat right up front next to a DJ from KZEW (remember them?) anyway they took me backstage to meet Mark. This concert was one of many with the band "Adrenalin" (sp?) They were a good backup band. Mark did talk a little about his beliefs both durring the show and when I met him backstage, but he really didn't do anything that I would call preaching, what I remember most was the fact that they really ROCKED it was a Great show. Did you see Farner with Ringo at the Starplex?? Mark stole that one for sure!!. Just a question then u can shoot me: If you had something you believed to be the greatest thing in the world(weather it was or not) wouldn't ya wanna share it with the people u cared about?? Peace, T.C. ------------------------------ From: Leo Bartoli Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:05:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Mark preaching on stage Don't quote me on this, but I think their names are Lem and Kram..........Leo (who needs to get to bed) (I'm beginning to sound like Bill!) ps. Still resisting the spelling checker, but slipping........................... - -----Original Message----- From: Creamx5@aol.com [SMTP:Creamx5@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 9:40 PM To: Ljb Subject: Re: Mark preaching on stage question of gossipp;what are mel and marks wives names?sincerly steve drake ------------------------------ From: Leo Bartoli Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:19:54 -0400 Subject: RE: preaching Thanks for responding Jim. I like hearing from both you and Rick and = look foward to your involvement. I think we're all learning for this stuff regardless of issue, and thats = good .....My cent & 1/2....Leo - -----Original Message----- From: lichtj@mhv.net [SMTP:lichtj@mhv.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 5:53 PM To: Ljb Subject: preaching Leo Bartoli wrote: >=20 > Hi all. I saw Mark solo once or twice in Massachusetts while he was = doing some religious songs. > I don't recall any out-and-out religious preaching like a minister = would do at a pulpit. But then I haven't > seen him 15 times either. I suppose in the right setting he would = feel it appropriate to do some preaching, and maybe that infrequently=20 happened. I believe t > I guess the big ? for me is - exactly what did he say? Inquiring = minds what to know!! Dear Leo, I made recordings of two of Marks solo shows. They came out=20 horrible, The bass just overwhelmed all the other instruments and ruined = the recording. I could review these shows for preaching. I was also at=20 the Hadley, Mass. show in 1991(at Katinas). I do remember one instance=20 when Mark was decrying material values on stage. I think that it was=20 just before he played "No False Idols" and he said that after we all die = and are sitting together out in the street naked without our jewelry and = furs, that it will be impossible to figure out who had the Jaguar and=20 nice house and all the money in life. I saw this guy so many times. I=20 called his hotline every week and I went to just about every show in the = Northeast between '85 & '95. He got into it pretty heavy on occasion. It = was infrequent, but it did happen. He is trying to convert people. Hope=20 this helps. Apologies to all who found the Rick/Jim show offensive.=20 Later. Regards, Jim ------------------------------ From: "Randy J. Valdez" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: T-shirt At 07:55 AM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >I wrote before to the wrong address. > Has anybody sent money to Mike Butler for a T-shirt? I sent >money and asked to be e-mailed when the money got there but have not >heard a word. > >There is a import of "Survival" at Spy Records here in Lexington, KY. for >$26. Should I buy it or wait for a re-release. > > Tony > > Tony, I've bought a couple of Tees from Mike; I'm sure you'll get them as soon as he is able to ship them. I've never heard the import version of Survival, but you could buy it and check it out while you are waiting for your Tees. Then you could let the rest of us know whether or not it is worth it. ; ) Randy V. ------------------------------ From: JFerr54280@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! Hello to Randy and all from Shreveport, "Last night in Little Rock", Well, besides having a wonderful time before the show and during, another couple of memorable events occurred. I managed to cut my knee with my sandles(Buckle) before the show and afterwards, my son accidentally kicked a cup full of nasty chewing tobacco juice, left by some non GFR fan, onto my wife's pants leg. yuck!!! is an understatement. Never the less, my two teens enjoyed the show ALMOST as much as I did. My wife (Rosalyn) even showed unplanned emotions on BAD TIME and LOCOMOTION. The "old" gal still has it in her. When Mark Farner asked if anybody had a sweet little woman like mine, I pointed to my wife and said, " I do ." Even after the "juice" incident. She's still sweet. ( has to be, to put up with my crap.) My wife did complain about some "funny" odors during the show, then again she always managed to either smell "it" or even had some fall into her hair, one time. Do you think maybe we need to stay home and just listen to the music? Are we accident prone? Now get this,as I am typing this post, Rosalyn comes to me and hands me my BACKSTAGE pass. I noticed it is a little wet and wrinkled. She said, " I think if you iron it out it will be okay as I accidentlly washed mine and yours." We may need to see lawyers in the morning after 22 years of marriage and three children. This may be the final straw. HA-HA. It is getting late, I can not say any more about the show than what has already been stated adequately already. I just wanted to add a little "color" and personal commentary. Bob. Shreveport,La ------------------------------ From: JFerr54280@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Soapbox time Stan, Way to go BROTHER. Let's keep it fun about our band. We can if we all post about the shows as they are palyed out on this year's tour and our list grows. Bob, Shreveport ------------------------------ From: LMcdan1313@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: GFR ROCKS LITTLE ROCK! Today was Gov. Mike Huckabee's one year anniv. in office and he is somewhat of a musician like our former gov./prez. Yesterday while GFR was tuning and soundchecking before their show in Little Rock the governor of Arkansas came over and played bass on SKOW and a picture of he and Farner was in the Arkansas Gazette newspaper. Larry ------------------------------ From: Brit & John Montalbano Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:25:48 Subject: Re: Mark preaching on stage Tom, I think the real question of hot debate is not whether or not Mark preaches, but: Who do you think is better at preaching, Mark or Mel? (And please, before 1000's of E-Mails get written, LIGHT 'EN UP PEOPLE, IT WAS JUST A JOKE) !! John At 09:49 AM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >Sometimes I think that our opinions of an event can differ from person >to person. I saw Mark on a few of his solo shows, and I never thought >he was "preaching." On the other hand, my wife was with me, and she >commented how Mark should keep religion out of his shows. I didn't >notice any major preaching between songs, but obviously he performed his >Christian songs. At one show when he started singing to "Come To >Jesus", I could hear her quietly say "Oh boy." It didn't offend me, but >she thought that the old Sunday School "Jesus Loves Me" was just a >little too much. > Two people sitting at the same show with two different views...Sounds >familiar to me. Maybe my wife should have been a music critic. Well, >on second thought, maybe not. At least she doesn't hate GFR like the >rest of the "professional" music critics out there. > >Tigger2 > >P.S. I am trying to make a deal to get some live tapes of a few of >Mark's solo shows. I need some really great trading material. If >anyone can help, let me know. The guy wants to add to his collection of >what is already known to our list. Maybe some 96/97 shows could help. >I heard bits and pieces, and they don't sound too bad for an audience >recording. Maybe these tapes might help to answer the "preaching" >question. > >Tigger2 > > ------------------------------ From: BRETT CHARLES BOWERMAN Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 06:54:29 -0500 Subject: grand funk boy.. i sure love grand-funk railroad..... ------------------------------ From: Gasnoilguy@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Questions jmaijala@juno.com wrote: >Well now, >I like the Phoenix album and dislike the Survival album. To me Survival >sounded like they were just trying to "grind out another album". Phoenix >showed a little more thought. >Other opinions? >Jim Maijala Jim, Yeah, I like Phoenix better than Survival, too. TTGA, RKF, GFMABD, FOTF, and the rest are all good songs. Maybe a bit too much organ, but overall a solid effort by the trio (quartet?) Survival is not bad. I think any follow-up to Closer to Home & Live Album, two major smash successes, was bound to be somewhat of a different type of album. Just like Led Zeppelin III was way different than the smash hit, Led Zep II. Remember, Zep followed LZ III with another great album, and so did GFR, as E Pluribus Funk followed Survival. Gas N Oil Guy ------------------------------ From: Stan Pace Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:36:48 -0400 Subject: Soapbox time UPDATE I expected this to generate some responses, and it did: 6 favorable, 1 unfavorable and 1 on the fence. The unfavorable response suggested that I should "quit the roadkill crew". I hate to disappoint anyone, but I'm not going away that easily. And, Bill seems to agree. Peace, Stan >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:27:44 >To: GFRR >From: Stan Pace >Subject: Soapbox time > >OK, gang, I guess I have kept my mouth closed long enough. All this bickering over really petty stuff needs to stop. I, and I suspect most of us, got into this Roadkill thing for several reasons: a love of GFRR, a desire for information, and a chance to share with other GFRR folks. For the most part, this has been the case. And, I believe Roadkill has played a significant role in the band's mini-resurgence. However, I did not get into this to witness often meaningless arguments between persons I don't really know and on topics that I don't much care about. I can participate in arguments at home, work, etc. I really don't need them here, and I don't see where they provide benefit to the Roadkill gang. I just end up quickly viewing them and finding the delete key. > >Nancy has the right idea. And she made me realize one more thing. My wife and I are very private people. We have our cats, a dog and a very small group of close friends. The Roadkill gang is my social group. I can be assured that something is posted every day that I didn't know and am glad to find out. But I can really live without the bickering. > >I have a suggestion. If you think your posting falls into a "bickering" category, why not send it directly to the person you choose to bicker with and spare the rest of us? > >I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone. I'd just like to see us take the high road while we're on this train. > >Peace, > >Stan > > Stan Pace U.S. Atlantic Command Joint Training, Analysis and Simulation Center ------------------------------ From: Tony Cawthorne Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:34:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Texas Fans HAHA ...well Leo I don't know about that.........maybe u could post a picture ?? Peace Bro! T.C. Leo Bartoli wrote: > > TC. Are you suggesting I share my girlfriend!!!! Leo, who can be real corny if desperate....... > > -----Original Message----- > From: TC@Myself.com [SMTP:TC@Myself.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 8:56 PM > To: Ljb > Subject: Re: Texas Fans > > Shane Hall wrote: > > > > I just wanted to see how many Texas-based fans there are out there in > > Funkland. I'm in Brownwood in central Texas. Sooner or later the boys > > will have to play in Dallas-Ft. Worth, Houston or San Antonio (Dallas-Ft > > Worth is closest for me). > > I saw Mark at the Prohibition Room in Dallas in '88 (the show was billed > > as Mark Farner's tribute to Grand Funk Railroad). Also saw him at the > > city park in Stephenville the same year. He was playing to prerecorded > > music and only sang his Christian songs and yes, he did sermon a little > > between songs. > > > > shane > > Shane, > Hey I was at that show at the Prohibition Room in 88, it was a Great > show! I lived in Dallas the last 16 years but just this year moved to > Atlanta, GA. to take a job with a software co. here. Anyway back to the > subject. I was at that show sat right up front next to a DJ from KZEW > (remember them?) anyway they took me backstage to meet Mark. This > concert was one of many with the band "Adrenalin" (sp?) They were a good > backup band. Mark did talk a little about his beliefs both durring the > show and when I met him backstage, but he really didn't do anything that > I would call preaching, what I remember most was the fact that they > really ROCKED it was a Great show. Did you see Farner with Ringo at the > Starplex?? Mark stole that one for sure!!. > > Just a question then u can shoot me: > > If you had something you believed to be the greatest thing in the > world(weather it was or not) wouldn't ya wanna share it with the people > u cared about?? > > Peace, > T.C. ------------------------------ From: In2theSon@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mark preaching on stage In a message dated 97-07-16 17:18:56 EDT, LMcdan1313@aol.com writes: << He doesn't so why don't we drop it, ok? this is getting to be beating a dead horse to death. >> Your RIGHT Larry - this horse has been dead long enough to really smell worse than genuine roadkill. ------------------------------ From: fam11@juno.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:10:07 -0400 Subject: Survival CD Well, I took Sam's advise and went down to Spy Records and bought the import "Survival" CD. It sounds just like the LP did fresh out of the wrapper. You can hear a little hiss just as you did on the LP. All in all it's an OK CD. It sure beats the hell out of my very worn "Survival" LP. In fact, I would say any Grand Funk CD is going to sound better than any of my LP's. I played the groves off all of them. The guy at Spy Records said he may be able to get me the "Phoenix" CD in a week or two. I have the import CD versions of "On Time" and "GRAND FUNK" and I think they both sound better than the "Survival" CD but I wouldn't tell anybody not to buy the "Survival" CD. Mike Butler e-mailed me and I feel better now. Does anybody have for sale or know were to buy a "Grand Funk" sticker for a car window? Tony ------------------------------ From: In2theSon@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Recent disagreements In a message dated 97-07-16 17:26:23 EDT, wap@one.net (William A. Parrette) writes: << And, if I could suggest (as someone else already has), if you find yourself feeling the need to flame somebody (argue or dis- agree heatedly), please don't waste the 'Net bandwidth by sending it to the list and having it resent to all 175+ subscribers -- I can't think of too many folks who enjoy watching people argue anyway. So, *please*, if you feel the need to argue, take the "discussion" to private e-mail. This way, the list will be a happier place for all. >> I have found myself ready to flame and *aflame*.... Thanks Bill for managing this list. It has honored Grand Funk to the point that its members have been invited to meet them, and have enjoyed time with one another at pre-concert parties. I know I met ten good people last Tuesday in Little Rock! It was a blast I wouldn't have had, had it not been for the *roadkill* list. JOE **whoever said roadkill always stinks, hasn't eaten from Bill's table** ------------------------------ From: Tony Cawthorne Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:31:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Soapbox time UPDATE Stan Pace wrote: > > I expected this to generate some responses, and it did: 6 favorable, 1 > unfavorable and 1 on the fence. The unfavorable response suggested that I > should "quit the roadkill crew". I hate to disappoint anyone, but I'm not > going away that easily. And, Bill seems to agree. > > Peace, Stan Well I don't think anyone should leave the list...I hate to see anyone leave...especially the one we just lost recently(Rick) I'll miss his input. I also don't think people should be telling other people to leave. The reason we are all here is to throw our thoughts and idea's out there and talk about them. We are here to learn more about GFR and each other. Expressing one's opinion is how that is acomplished. If you don't agree with those opinions you are free to say so, but common people lighten up a bit were all friends here. Remember were here to help support the "Boys" bickering really accomplishes nothing. Just express your opinion (politly) and go on to the next topic. Lets keep it fun! Peace, T.C. > > >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:27:44 > >To: GFRR > >From: Stan Pace > >Subject: Soapbox time > > > >OK, gang, I guess I have kept my mouth closed long enough. All this > bickering over really petty stuff needs to stop. I, and I suspect most of > us, got into this Roadkill thing for several reasons: a love of GFRR, a > desire for information, and a chance to share with other GFRR folks. For > the most part, this has been the case. And, I believe Roadkill has played a > significant role in the band's mini-resurgence. However, I did not get into > this to witness often meaningless arguments between persons I don't really > know and on topics that I don't much care about. I can participate in > arguments at home, work, etc. I really don't need them here, and I don't > see where they provide benefit to the Roadkill gang. I just end up quickly > viewing them and finding the delete key. > > > >Nancy has the right idea. And she made me realize one more thing. My wife > and I are very private people. We have our cats, a dog and a very small > group of close friends. The Roadkill gang is my social group. I can be > assured that something is posted every day that I didn't know and am glad to > find out. But I can really live without the bickering. > > > >I have a suggestion. If you think your posting falls into a "bickering" > category, why not send it directly to the person you choose to bicker with > and spare the rest of us? > > > >I don't mean this to be offensive to anyone. I'd just like to see us take > the high road while we're on this train. > > > >Peace, > > > >Stan > > > > > Stan Pace > U.S. Atlantic Command > Joint Training, Analysis and Simulation Center ------------------------------ End of grand-funk-digest V1 #98 *******************************