From: owner-grand-funk To: grand-funk-digest Subject: grand-funk-digest V1 #59 Reply-To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Errors-To: owner-grand-funk Precedence: bulk grand-funk-digest Sunday, 11 May 1997 Volume 01 : Number 059 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Shinin' On There was also some talk about lack of bass on some albums. I agree that there is a notable lack of bass on WAAB, SHININ, and ALGITWB. I think it came back pretty strong in Born and especially strong in Good Singin. I think this is all a result of the producers of the particular albums. The bass is certainly strongest in the early years though. ------------------------------ From: James Lichtenberg Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:11:24 -0700 Subject: R & R Hall of Fame Pamuska@aol.com wrote: > With GFR selling over 20 million records and selling out Shea faster > than the Beatles, then why are they not in the Rock Hall of Fame? Guys, I've been meaning to ask the same question. GFRR is NOT in the R & R Hall of Fame. I believe that you are eligible for induction 25 years after your first recording. I'm embarrassed to ask. Was this 1970 for GFRR? Pressure from us is long overdue. I'll try to locate the proper channel for our input. I think the Bee Gees and the Jackson 5 are going in this year. I consider the Bee Gees to be rock giants and worthy but the J5 before GFRR!? I actually like "Sally" and BTD is one of my fav's. Sorry Gasnoil! I'll have to think about my least favorite. We listened to Shinin' On(my favorite GFRR album) ad nauseum back in 1974 and I was actually listening to "Carry Me Through" in a car(8-track) on the way to high school one Monday morning when I heard that one of my friends had been killed in a car wreck early Sunday morning. Don't mean to gruesome, but the song always brings me back to that friend. I consider it to be the ultimate dirge. Later. Regards, Jim ------------------------------ From: ddevers@viagrafix.com (Doug Devers) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:15:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Terry Knight Just got out "Mark, Don & Terry" and gave it a spin. IMHO it varies from 'not too bad' to 'truly awful'. It doesn't stand the passage of time nearly as well as ANY of the GFR stuff does. What does everyone else think? - - Doug "So what if you can't fool all the people all the time; most of them aren't paying attention in the first place." ddevers@viagrafix.com ------------------------------ From: In2theSon@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Survival I have wondered (and wandered, but I'm back), about the Drums on the Survival Album. They sound electric/digital. It changed the entire sound of the band, though the over all style is still GFR. Was Don playing on padded heads? or did he stuff the drums with pillows? ' ' ' sup? (i.e. what's up?) Does it say on the Album cover and I ignored it? This is not life or death, just curiosity (which did eventually kill the cat). Take your time answering, I won't see it until Monday. Later. Joe ------------------------------ From: EfahsT@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BloodRock/GFR In a message dated 97-05-04 19:39:41 EDT, QuoteNotes@aol.com writes: << With regard to GFR-era bands...anybody remember Bloodrock? >> Interesting you should mention BloodyRockies. Hit Parader, July 83, article entitled, "GRAND FUNK RAILROAD Never Say Die" by Charley Crespo, says: While Brewer plays with (Bob) Seger, Farner is writing songs for Lee Pickens, the ex-guitarist of Bloodrock, the now-defunct band that sounded like and opened for dozens of GFR concerts back in the Funk's halcyon days. Pickens has formed an as-yet-unnamed band and is looking for a record deal. Farner isn't sure that the songs he's contributed are necessarily in the GFR hard rock tradition, however. "I evolved right along with Mother Narure, and whatever comes out, comes out," the midwestern country boy said. "We were labelled a 'heavy metal' band, and I like performing on stage the stuff we did in the past, but currently I'm writing more pop-oriented, melodic Top 40 songs." Now ain't that just great? Here's yet ANOTHER collection of Grand Funk related material we gotta have! Oh, my wife ain't gonna like to hear this. ------------------------------ From: "NH Borger" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:37:31 +0200 Subject: The Fabulous Pack Hi Doug Devers, Can you please send me the songlist of the The Pack album with catalog number LE-8000? Do you happen to have the The Pack singles "Next to your fire" and "Widetrackin'"? >Just got out "Mark, Don & Terry" and gave it a spin. IMHO it varies from >'not too bad' to 'truly awful'. It doesn't stand the passage of time >nearly as well as ANY of the GFR stuff does. What does everyone else >think? It's not GFR, but it's GFR related. I don't like the songs with Terry on vocals so much, he's a terrible singer. I like the part around when they renamed themselves to The Fabulous Pack and did songs like "Down in the valley" "I've got news" "We gotto have love" and such. These are heavier songs that started to sound like GFR "On Time". (The Fabulous Pack had Craig Frost on keyboards) Nico. ------------------------------ From: Mike Butler <1kfunkrr@vegasnet.net> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:33:25 -0700 Subject: Re: R & R Hall of Fame >Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:14:05 -0700 >To: James Lichtenberg >From: Mike Butler <1kfunkrr@vegasnet.net> >Subject: Re: R & R Hall of Fame > >Jim, > >You just hit a raw nerve with me. > >I grew up South of Cleveland. The town took alot of 'un-deserved' heat and jokes, and like Pittsburgh has risen from the 'rust-belt' image. > >The 'R & R Hall' is a great source of pride to the community. I was totally embarassed to find no mention of Grand Funk anywhere when I looked a couple of months ago. In fact they had a section on the pioneers of hard rock - with no mention of GFR!!!! > >Inductees into the hall are based on the input from 'supposed' experts in field (ie writers like Stanley). I do believe they are eligible for induction, but I'm not real hopeful based on the above. > >Anybody have any ideas on how to constructively channel this anger to get these guys where they belong? > >-=Mike=- > ------------------------------ From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Survival I had to laugh when I saw the comments regarding Brewer's drumming on Survival. Sometimes I think it sounds like a machine gun. Survival is probably the weakest of the early albums, but still quite good. Comfort Me is an awesome song, but I have always dreaded Feelin Alright and Gimme Shelter. I guess I just hate cover songs. ------------------------------ From: bluetuna@webtv.net (Rand Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 13:33:46 -0700 Subject: Re: Survival I love Survival and can't wait to here it on the remastered cd's. I wonder if anyone else ever heard a similarity between Country Road and the Beavis and Butthead theme song at the beginning? To me it sounds like CR rewritten esp. where the whole band comes in. In fact you can sing CR words to that and it is the same tempo/feel. I hate the stupid show but love the tune and now I know why. Also to Roverpick; I don't know how you can say you hate cover tunes by GFR. Inside Looking Out is a,- cover. God Bless You All-Rand Kelly ------------------------------ From: "Rex D. Hutto" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:41:29 -0500 Subject: "I'm Your Captain" on Leno I've watched the Leno appearance dozens of times. One line of "I'm Your = Captain" sounded strange: I'm your captain, I'm your captain And I'm feelin' mighty s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick Mark held that "s" for a lo-o-o-o-og time. Was this "artistic," or did = he come in too early, or was this just an unfamiliar arrangement-the = "medley of their hits" (ha!). Any ideas? ------------------------------ From: "NH Borger" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:55:35 +0200 Subject: s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick Hi Rex D. Hutto, you wrote: >I've watched the Leno appearance dozens of times. >One line of "I'm Your Captain" sounded strange: > I'm your captain, I'm your captain > And I'm feelin' mighty s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick >Mark held that "s" for a lo-o-o-o-og time. Was this "artistic," >or did he come in too early, or was this just an unfamiliar >arrangement-the "medley of their hits" (ha!). Any ideas? What about Mark just felt like singing 'mighty s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick' I've just watched that same video over and over and over again tonight until my wife asked me 'please darling how much times can you watch this video over and over again'. Well, more than I just did ! ! ! ! Nico. ------------------------------ From: bluetuna@webtv.net (Rand Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: Re: "I'm Your Captain" on Leno Rex, have you ever heard the Caught In The Act version IYC? He does the same thing; I think for dramatic tension probably because the audience is singing along at exactly the same time and Mark may have thought "O.K. kids try this out for size" I just think it makes for a fresh approach to the live performance. I hate concerts where it sounds perfect like the studio. What's the point of a live album, if there's no surprises? Analyze the studio/live cuts and notice more of these subtle but effective changes. I love it myself. God Bless You All-Rand Kelly ------------------------------ From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Survival Slap me and slap me hard. Inside Looking Out is such a good song that it is easy to forget that it is indeed a cover song. Inside is a VERY BIG exception. But...let's not forget Locomotion, Some Kind....... ------------------------------ From: frankbauer@thevine.net Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:04:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Survival >I had to laugh when I saw the comments regarding Brewer's drumming on >Survival. Sometimes I think it sounds like a machine gun. Survival is >probably the weakest of the early albums, but still quite good. Comfort Me i >an awesome song, but I have always dreaded Feelin Alright and Gimme Shelter. >I guess I just hate cover songs. funny, survival is my 2nd favorite album (after live). and i was disappointed not to hear FA or GS at the greek. they didn't play anything from survival! ;( frank to: IN:Roverpick@aol.com cc: IN:grand-funk@roadkill.com ------------------------------ From: einar@rfci.net Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:24:56 -0400 Subject: Coming south Well, it looks like they are not coming south this summer according to S.Q.'s schedule. I believe I can hit the back to back Ohio gigs though. Anybody else thinking about Clevelend and Toledo on July 26-27? I'm very surprised 'they' didn't hit up Bill or Donna for an official website. Look at how much work is already done for them! And whoever said Survival was a weak album (or whatever) I totally agree. Gimme Shelter is the only song I listen to from that LP. S.Q. said the song lp would be ending in a few days. I wonder if the 175 names I sent to Capitol are going to have an impact on the vote. Funkola out ------------------------------ From: bluetuna@webtv.net (Rand Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:28:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Survival Roverpick don't be so hard on yourself man. One of my favorite bands is YES and they do a great cover of Paul Simon's America I only heard PS do it 1 time and I love the Yes vers. so much I didn't pay much attention to it. Likewise with ILO I have the Animals on tape and it is amazing what GFR have done with it. This could be a cool thing to discuss. Cover tunes sounding way better than the originals. In fact so good that the originals become forgotten and the covers become the hits. It happens all the time in rock music. Not just the song but a group's particular style. For instance the TOTALLY UNDERRATED KING' S X is a perfect example; in the new issue of Spin mag. they are interviewing Collective soul and one of the members states their most influential band is King's X. Then the interviewer makes a slamming remark about their lack of sales compared to CS. The reason is Atlantic Rec. Never lifted a finger for KX in 10 years. I have seen these guys 2 times and they are phenomenal. I like 1000 bands and I don't slam the ones I don't like. It's simply a matter of choice. 8 yrs ago Metallica's guitarists were predicting "KX be would so huge they wouldn't be able to find stadiums big enough to hold the audience." It never happened and I blame Atlantic. The same treatment GFR got from MCA and Full Moon/WB. Where was I? Oh! yeah! Thanks to GFR/KX and other groups that have original styles so other bands can duplicate them and make a fortune. Collective Soul needs 3 guitar players to sound like 1 Ty Tabor. At least they admit it; finally. I love Grand Funk and King's X. They would make a great double bill,IMHO. God Bless You All-Rand Kelly ------------------------------ From: Sam LeMaster Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:58:00 -0400 Subject: Mark, Don & Terry Doug Devers wrote: Just got out "Mark, Don & Terry" and gave it a spin. IMHO it varies from 'not too bad' to 'truly awful'. It doesn't stand the passage of time nearly as well as ANY of the GFR stuff does. What does everyone else think? - - Doug "So what if you can't fool all the people all the time; most of them aren't paying attention in the first place." DITTO!!! I agree. ------------------------------ From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Summer GFR dates I keep forgetting to bring up this topic for debate. I am a little mystified by the intent of GFR management to keep booking these guys into arenas that seat 2 or 3 thousand people. I find it hard to believe that the band cannot draw larger crowds doing dates a little less back to back. I cringed when I read they were appearing at a county fair. Next thing you know they will be for hire in someones back yard. And I am not referring to the Roadkill Fest. I think that the past month or so has proven that the guys still have strong drawing power. Any comments?? ------------------------------ From: BeatlesHD@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GF August Concerts Does anyone know where the August concerts will be, or if there will even be any? Oh yeah! And Mike Butler~ I got my shirt today. Thanks, it is great! All I need is some tender lovin' Gretchen ------------------------------ From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Survival Thanks for forgiving any unintended swipes at the Survival album. Needless to say, as a fellow hard core GFR fanatic, giving Survival a B rating means I listen to it twice a month as opposed 4 times a month. I also want to say that I have heard so much about Kings X that I think I am to the point of making a purchase. These guys seem to be mentioned in the same sentence with GFR more often than the words "CD release". I will pass on my comments after I hear some of their stuff. ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:02:54 -0700 Subject: Re: R & R Hall of Fame Mike Butler wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:14:05 -0700 > >To: James Lichtenberg > >From: Mike Butler <1kfunkrr@vegasnet.net> > >Subject: Re: R & R Hall of Fame > > > >Jim, > > > >You just hit a raw nerve with me. > > > >I grew up South of Cleveland. The town took alot of 'un-deserved' heat and > jokes, and like Pittsburgh has risen from the 'rust-belt' image. > > > >The 'R & R Hall' is a great source of pride to the community. I was totally > embarassed to find no mention of Grand Funk anywhere when I looked a couple > of months ago. In fact they had a section on the pioneers of hard rock - > with no mention of GFR!!!! > > > >Inductees into the hall are based on the input from 'supposed' experts in > field (ie writers like Stanley). I do believe they are eligible for > induction, but I'm not real hopeful based on the above. > > > >Anybody have any ideas on how to constructively channel this anger to get > these guys where they belong? > > > >-=Mike=- > > Mike: Absolutely... Being a fan of last week's inductees (Funkadelic/Parliament, Buffalo Springfield, C,S,N, Rascals, (gawd the Rascals sounded awful on the VH1 show), Bee Gees, etc., you have to wonder how many of these bands knocked down 20 million in LP sales. To me bands like GFR, Stooges/Iggy, MC5, Seger, Nugent had a huge influence on the music scene (you can sense my Michigan bias). Nonethless, none of these have made the Hall - and all are eligible as far as I know. We owe it ourselves to find a pipeline to start working on getting GFR recognition at the Hall - At least their musical performance at the induction would be something we could all be proud of!!! I plan to send an e-mail to the R&RHOF to see if I can get some details...I'll update if I get a response. Bill Cook PS - I got the Grandfunkengruven shirt today - I'm "official" now! ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:15:54 -0700 Subject: Re: s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick NH Borger wrote: > > Hi Rex D. Hutto, you wrote: > >I've watched the Leno appearance dozens of times. > >One line of "I'm Your Captain" sounded strange: > > > I'm your captain, I'm your captain > > And I'm feelin' mighty s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick > > >Mark held that "s" for a lo-o-o-o-og time. Was this "artistic," > >or did he come in too early, or was this just an unfamiliar > >arrangement-the "medley of their hits" (ha!). Any ideas? > > What about Mark just felt like singing 'mighty s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sick' > > I've just watched that same video over and over and over again tonight > until my wife asked me 'please darling how much times can you watch > this video over and over again'. Well, more than I just did ! ! ! ! > > Nico. Nico: Funny you should mention it. I honestly watched that video 4 times today. I love the full string/horn sound. Regarding ......sick, Mark's been doing that "live" all the way back to the seventies. The only reason I noticed is because when I tried to "cover" their live version (with my lame vocals), I would always screw up the mighteee...................sssssssssssick part. I think if you check "Caught In The Act" and any other live boot versions you will either here 1) mighteeeeee........................................sick - or - 2) mightee s............................................ick We must be real Funkheads to be noticing stuff like this heh???? Bill ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:24:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Summer GFR dates Roverpick@aol.com wrote: > > I keep forgetting to bring up this topic for debate. I am a little mystified > by the intent of GFR management to keep booking these guys into arenas that > seat 2 or 3 thousand people. I find it hard to believe that the band cannot > draw larger crowds doing dates a little less back to back. I cringed when I > read they were appearing at a county fair. Next thing you know they will be > for hire in someones back yard. And I am not referring to the Roadkill Fest. > I think that the past month or so has proven that the guys still have strong > drawing power. Any comments?? Yeah the drawing power is there in most large markets - but sell outs are also a great marketing tool. I'm sure the boys are watching the ticket demand very carefully. They last thing we want are "expert" music writers writing about empty seats at GFR shows. That would surely derail the GFR comeback. I loved the Palace with 15,000 going crazy, but there's nothing wrong with a venue a bit more intimate that Shea Stadium. Bill ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:45:59 -0700 Subject: Nomination Requirements- R&R HOF Hello Cleveland: I'm writing from Michigan and may expose my bias to Detroit and Michigan Music... However, there are a couple of bands from this part of America which have had amazing musical success since the sixties and both have been playing to sold out crowds over the past year. Those bands are Grand Funk Railroad and Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band. Grand Funk sold over 20 million LPs in the seventies and eighties and consistently sold out stadiums...including the Palace of Auburn Hills last month. Seger has obviously had amazing popularity since the sixties in Michigan and nationally since the mid seventies. You may have seen Seger during the last tour and you need to catch Grand Funk in Cleveland and Toledo in late July...you'll see what we're talking about! - 25 years both bands still kick. Bottom line...what kind of support (i.e., grassroots, industry, etc.) does it take to consider these legends for the R&R HOF? Please let me know...there's a bunch of us out here willing to work on it. Thanks in advance. Bill Cook Rochester Hills, Michigan ------------------------------ From: YSYA1@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: People Magazine In the new issue of People magazine, There is an article on the Rock and Roll Fantasy camp. Alot of it is about David Fishoff. Mark Farner is mentioned along with a picture of an autographed board with his signature and a caricature of him. ------------------------------ From: "Bruce E. Fairbank" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:18:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Summer GFR dates I'm new to the GFR discussion group, but a long-time fan going back to the first album. I'm looking for tours dates in the Kansas, Missouri or Oklahoma area. I would appreciate any info about dates in these dates. ------------------------------ From: brad412@BLomand.Net Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:29:31 -0500 Subject: Cleveland Rocks! Let's all get together in Cleveland for the Grand Funk show. Before the show we can demonstrate in front of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame -- in protest of Grand Funk not being represented inside (looking out). How many of you wimpy funkers have the guts to show up and put your money where you mouth is? We will make sure that the show is sold-out and most of us will be without a ticket. We will demonstrate with signs at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame whild GFR is performing, chanting, "All we are saying, is give Grand Funk a chance." Then when they try to arrest us, we can chant, "Hell no, we won't go!" Our protest will be all the more powerful because most of us won't have tickets. A fellow comrade, Brad ------------------------------ From: EfahsT@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: People Magazine In a message dated 97-05-10 22:26:36 EDT, YSYA1@aol.com writes: << In the new issue of People magazine >> Which issue, exactly? What month/day? ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:07:54 -0700 Subject: Internet Sales research - Funkheads: Here's the top 6 "big dogs" according to the Record Industry of America...now all I have to find the rest of the list and figure where GFR fits in...time to dig deeper into the net. If anybody finds the figures please post 'em. Based on this, 20 million ain't too shabby... The Beatles............70 million albums Billy Joel.................58 million albums The Eagles.............56 million albums Garth Brooks.........52 million albums Barbra Streisand...52 million albums Elvis Presley..........48 million albums ------------------------------ From: John Des Portes Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:16:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: King's X At 08:58 PM 5/10/97 -0400, you wrote: > I also want to say >that I have heard so much about Kings X that I think I am to the point of >making a purchase. These guys seem to be mentioned in the same sentence with >GFR more often than the words "CD release". I will pass on my comments after >I hear some of their stuff. > >Try latest, "Ear Candy" or the classic "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska". Live they are impossibly full sounding for a trio, with a lead singer who I feel is the best on the current scene. ------------------------------ From: Bill Cook Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:30:51 -0700 Subject: My Favorite Internet Database - All Music Guide Funkheads: If you haven't already been to ALL MUSIC GUIDE you're missing out. If nothing else, check out the GFR section. Good stuff in my opinion Go into http://www.ALLMUSIC.com/amg/music_root.html and search for Grand Funk If you're into music...you may never log off again.... Bill ------------------------------ From: James Lichtenberg Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:34:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Terry Knight Leo Bartoli wrote: > Jim. Doesn't it go: I know the greed of man, has no season. He doesn't > stop to think about the outcome............Or something like that. > Thanx for the interesting info. TGFGFR, Leo Leo, You are absolutely correct. I can't believe I screwed the lyrics up on "Greed Of Man". I didn't even recognize the title in the song. Thanks for the correction! I'm lost without a lyric sheet. Roverpick, I don't think that Mark even cares how many people they play for. I saw Farner play circa 1991 in Hampton Beach, N.H. in front of about 30 people. He gives it his all for small crowds too! I also heard him say once on stage that even if there was only 1 person in the audience, that "they were going to have a good time tonight." Frank Bauer, I've seen Mark do "Gimme Shelter" a couple of times in the mid 80's and it sounded ten times better live than on Survival. He dedicated the song to all the Vietnam veterans. Tom Roberts, I personally would not pay double for a pre-Phoenix CD. I think that the sound changed mostly because Craig Frost joined GFRR. I can't get enough of post Phoenix GFRR because of Farner's improved songwriting and Brewer's compositions. The overdubbing for Shinin' On is outrageous and "Bad Time" is one of the most melodic and beautiful rock songs ever written. Mark turns the other cheek for everyone. He is a Christian. I believe that Knight boned GFRR not vice versa. I don't think that Knight refined anything. As an example, listen to "Get It Together" on Closer To Home. Mark is screaming "got to get it together" an octave higher than he should be and I think it ruined a nice tune. I bet Phil Spector would have done it differently. What other big acts has Knight produced? I think that Knight stepped in poop when he met Mark, Don & Mel. Talk soon. Later. Respectfully Submitted Jim ------------------------------ From: Bass6plyr@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Summer GFR dates In a message dated 97-05-10 20:03:25 EDT, Roverpick@aol.com writes: << I keep forgetting to bring up this topic for debate. I am a little mystified by the intent of GFR management to keep booking these guys into arenas that seat 2 or 3 thousand people. I find it hard to believe that the band cannot draw larger crowds doing dates a little less back to back. I cringed when I read they were appearing at a county fair. Next thing you know they will be for hire in someones back yard. And I am not referring to the Roadkill Fest. I think that the past month or so has proven that the guys still have strong drawing power. Any comments??>> I totaly agree with you. They should definitely be able to fill much larger places. I feel that they are completely capable of this at this time, but who knows, maybe David Fishof (manager) wants to take it slow for now. I mean, it has been a while since they've played together, so maybe when they leave for their Japan tour they will stir up enough hype back here in the states, and hopefully they will play much larger places when they get back. I'd love to see them pack a good twenty thousand!!! Would I be dreaming? Paul Bass6plyr@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:09:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Terry Knight James Lichtenberg wrote: What other > big acts has Knight produced? I think that Knight stepped in poop when > he met Mark, Don & Mel. Talk soon. Later. > > Respectfully Submitted > Jim Yo Jim, You made one heckuva point there, Dude! Except for The Pack and Grand Funk, Terry Knight hasn't done squat! Some of the better informed folks on the list may know more of his activities after GFR, but he certainly didn't do anything that gave him national recognition like our boys did. Thanks for making this important point. Later, Randy ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:28:56 -0500 Subject: Re: My Favorite Internet Database - All Music Guide Hey Bill, Thanks for the link to the All Music Guide. I ran a search on GFR, and it listed their albums which included "City Baby Attacked By Rats". Does anybody know anything about this lp? Is it a compilation album or something? Also listed was "Granicus" released in 1973. I've never heard of these albums. Somebody please fill me in. Randy ------------------------------ From: thesonics@earthlink.net (Jay Siekierski) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FUNK Wants! Hi Funkheads; I got a huge record fair sunday May 18th in california...looking for any FUNK stuff? Mail list asap to me. I will contact you if I come across the stuff. Billola Parrette & Jeff Funkola know me well and have bought from me in the past and Funkhead Rickola has just ordered from me. Jayola The Sonics:The All Music Site! Closer To Home & Shinin' On! Music Editor: Jay'Sonics'Siekierski http://home.earthlink.net/~thesonics/ ------------------------------ From: Jimmy Karlsson Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:08:25 +0200 Subject: Re: GFR Peter Kast wrote: > > I'm a fan of GFR and i want that you know ,there are a fan from GFR in > Germany Hi Peter! Please tell your friends back in Germany to vote for CD releases on the WZZR-site of Sunny Quinn. Thanks for popping in! Take care! - -- - ----------------------------------------------- | Jimmy K of Sweden | lpartiet@geocities.com | - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Jimmy Karlsson Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 07:09:05 +0200 Subject: Re: gfr-site in Sweden Toshi Takagi wrote: > > Hi Jimmy, > > Thanks for the e-mail. I also visited your site. I'll be checking back on > occasions. Your site is looking good so far. Keep up the good work!! > Keep in Touch > > Toshi of Japan Hi Toshi! I want to ask for permission to link your site to mine. Have you heard about GFR official website? http://www.grandfunk.com from Fishof, GFR manager? Please tell your friends to email Sunny Quinn and VOTE for CD list. Check out the WZZR site (link on my frontpage) See you! Jimmy K of Sweden http://hem1.passagen.se/railroad/index.htm See the Grand Funk News page! - -- - ----------------------------------------------- | Jimmy K of Sweden | lpartiet@geocities.com | - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: jmaijala@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 22:51:03 -0700 Subject: Re: "I'm Your Captain" on Leno ACTUALLY, Mark holds that sssssssssssick in alot of the live performaces of that song. I have seen him do it personally 3 times. He also, changes pitch on one line during the song. Jim ------------------------------ From: bluetuna@webtv.net (Rand Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:29:26 -0700 Subject: Re: King's X To Roverpick and anyone else who wants to know more about the band King's X they have an official website(url next post) and a newsgroup that needs a boost or something 1000>32 posts that's terrible. It is rec.music.artists.king's-x I think. Also I agree that there are no bad cd's from them the Brendan O'Brien produced DOGMAN is very heavy in the BASS dept. I used to not like it but ever since I found roadkill and listened to early Mel I'm starting to appreciate Doug Pinnick's 12-string bass much more. For starters I would recommend EAR CANDY( latest 1996) and use headphones any chance you get. This album is INCREDIBLE I think GFR fans will love this, I have been a fan of KX since 1987. GFR since 1970 I would love to see these two bands on the same night, a dream come true. Who knows they might do a 6-man version of IYC jam at the end. It could happen! God Bless You All-Rand Kelly NP-King's X-faith,hope,love they are all excellent. ------------------------------ From: Stnhnge@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Terry Knight After the break up with GFR, Knight hooked up with another band that he promised would be bigger than he made MD&M.........the name of this wondergroup....................... Mom's Apple Pie.... Dave ------------------------------ From: FRuss80480@aol.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Survival - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Survival Date: 97-05-11 02:18:15 EDT From: FRuss80480 To: In2theSon I'm a loyal GFR Fan and learned to play Drums listening to Don Brewer. I've spent many a night in my younger days listening over and over to ALL the albums and I think the drum sound absolutely set the intensity of the style of the music. In the early days Don's Snare really cracked and cut through all the sound no matter what was going on in the track. The Drums were more "out front" and wide open in the mix- and thats what is happening with todays sound. The Drum sound on Survival is a product of a music trend in studios that was happening for a number of years. Very controled, thick sound which is too thick and processed. (Stupid sound engineers! They don't like overtones of any kind) I'll bet the drums were muffled in some way. I personally don't like the SDrum sound on any of the later LP's because of this. That will never take away from my admiration for Don's playing and his style. My Favorite Studio LP (from a drummers perspective) is "E Puluribis Funk". It is HIGH energy! And the Drums are out front in the mix! Hope I answered your question. - Fred ------------------------------ From: bluetuna@webtv.net (Rand Kelly) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:47:13 -0700 Subject: GFR/KING'S X KING'S X website url:http//www.compassnet.com/grump/ Go to links section and hit Gary Sweeten's Unofficial Page he has many sound samples most are Real Audio 3.0 and webtv can't use at this time. This should give you people a chance to see if you want to take the KX plunge. Have fun. Rand ------------------------------ From: Donna Wightman Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:49:45 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Summer GFR dates] Message-ID: <33756B90.68E0@meclec.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:47:45 -0700 From: Donna Wightman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roverpick@aol.com Subject: Re: Summer GFR dates References: <970510200152_942222453@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey now Rover, Don't you be knocking Mark, Don & Mel playing in Mick's backyard! He just happens to be a personal "buddy" of theirs ; ) LOL, Donna ------------------------------ From: Donna Wightman Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:50:06 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Coming south] Message-ID: <33756A98.6DD5@meclec.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:43:36 -0700 From: Donna Wightman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: einar@rfci.net Subject: Re: Coming south References: <3374F5B8.31E2@rfci.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff Cochran wrote: > > Well, it looks like they are not coming south this summer according > to S.Q.'s schedule. I believe I can hit the back to back Ohio gigs > though. Anybody else thinking about Clevelend and Toledo on July 26-27? > > I'm very surprised 'they' didn't hit up Bill or Donna for an > official website. Look at how much work is already done for them! I can't speak for Bill, but I really don't want the job. I would rather do my *Funk* stuff out of love (as you and Bill did too), than for money. I already "been there done that" and it becomes a *job* then. > And whoever said Survival was a weak album (or whatever) I totally > agree. Gimme Shelter is the only song I listen to from that LP. I dunno Jeff, I reaaaaaly love Comfort Me, Country Road, I Can Feel Him in the Morning (okay, okay, it's a chick's album ; ) ) > S.Q. said the song lp would be ending in a few days. I wonder if > the 175 names I sent to Capitol are going to have an impact on the vote. > > Funkola out I certainly hope so, after all the time and work you put into that. Donna ------------------------------ From: WScarano.SGA_BUSINESS_SYSTEMS@iSGA.com Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:29:28 -0400 Subject: Re: My Favorite Internet Database - All Music Guide Thanks...great site! Already found Haircut 100 and Nick Heyward. mustang@tir.com on 05/11/97 02:30:51 AM Please respond to mustang@tir.com To: grand-funk@roadkill.com cc: (bcc: Wayne P. Scarano/SGA Business Systems) Subject: My Favorite Internet Database - All Music Guide Funkheads: If you haven't already been to ALL MUSIC GUIDE you're missing out. If nothing else, check out the GFR section. Good stuff in my opinion Go into http://www.ALLMUSIC.com/amg/music_root.html and search for Grand Funk If you're into music...you may never log off again.... Bill ------------------------------ End of grand-funk-digest V1 #59 *******************************