From: owner-grand-funk To: grand-funk-digest Subject: grand-funk-digest V1 #58 Reply-To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Errors-To: owner-grand-funk Precedence: bulk grand-funk-digest Saturday, 10 May 1997 Volume 01 : Number 058 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Pace Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:09:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? Phil, Disregard. I'm just having Mick withdrawal symptoms! Stan >Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:59:19 >To: grand-funk@roadkill.com >From: Stan Pace >Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? > >By the way, on the new site, Railroad is spelled wrong. > >Phil, are you back in the game? > >Stan > > > > >At 11:23 5/9/97 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>> Doug told me (earlier this week) that Fishof's folks told him >>> that there would be an official Grand Funk Web page up by this >>> Friday. Well, that *is* today, has anybody else seen or heard >>> anything? >> >>I think Mike Butler said that he saw something officially registered that >>seemed to indicate that Fishof was creating a grand funk web site. I'm sure >>he'll reply and let us know the details. >> >>Phil >> >> >> > Stan Pace U.S. Atlantic Command Joint Training, Analysis and Simulation Center ------------------------------ From: Mike Butler <1kfunkrr@vegasnet.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:06:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? Go to http://www.grandfunk.com - they have 'Railroad' spelled wrong!! I hope the people that are putting up this web site have half the ability as Bill, Donna and Jeff! I'm strating to wonder. - -=Mike=- ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: CD info and minor soapbox > > The following CDs are all listed with "To Be Announced" release dates: Live > Album, On Time, Phoenix, Survival, All The Girls In The World..., and Grand > Funk. They had no specific info on dates, etc., but they did indicate that > the TBA tag means that something should be happening soon. They show many > of the other CDs as being available now, but that's no surprise. Stan, Hate to burst your bubble but all of these CDs have been listed as "To Be Announced" for well over a year now and possibly coming up on two years. I went through this same thing in early '96 or late '95 and have still been waiting. You don't want to hear my choice words on this whole subject. STILL PATIENT in Colorado! Phil PS I can only be patient for so long. Soon, I might go postal... ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? > > Phil, are you back in the game? I never left! ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Subject: No Respect! > Would be nice if he learnt how to spell the bands name, Grand Funk Ralroad ? > Maybe we could all chip in and buy him a spell checker ? > http://grandfunk.com > > Whats an "i" between frends ? Yeah, they get no respect! How about on GMA when what's her face says Grand Frunk Railroad. What's WRONG with these people? Phil ------------------------------ From: jmaijala@sprynet.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:22:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Shinin On I have a feeling that you have the "company line" on this. I have read those quotes from Don before too. I wonder if it all came to a head and a big explosion occurred. Their sound REALLY changed with the start of the Phoenix album. Jim ------------------------------ From: Bass6plyr@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Letterman? In a message dated 97-05-09 03:37:59 EDT, slisuk@softcom.net (steve lisuk) writes: << according to Sunny Quinn, the plans were cancelled earlier in the week. The band is staying in LA working on new songs, and mixing the live Detroit show for release. >> Cool! I think that's more important than what Letterman wanted them for anyway. Paul Bass6plyr@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:55:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Official Web page??? Hey Folks! Personally, I think the smart thing for David Fishof to do is to recruit Bill, Donna, and Jeff (and maybe a few others from this list) to colaborate on the official GFR site. Not only do they have vast knowledge of the care and feeding of web pages, but they truly love the subject matter involved, and I think they would do a superior job. Besides, they all have prior experience! I can't speak for Bill, Donna, or Jeff, but if they were willing to take this on, should all of us list members start emailing Fishof's office to suggest this, or do you think it David would consider it a slap in the face? What are your opinions? Later, Randy ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: ...no subject... (fwd) Well folks, here it is, straight from the horse's, Uh I mean cat's, mouth... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 9 May 97 13:47:40 EDT From: Michael Catalano To: phil.catalano@mci.com Subject: ...no subject... *Phil Thanks* Hey, thanks for the ink -- you said it well. I think everyone will understand what's going on now. Send or post any or all of the following to the 'kill...... *Donna pix* Donna's pictures are going in the mail either tonight or tomorrow, so she should have them next week sometime. *Called Nancy and Bobby* I called Nancy and Booby earlier today and left a message, including my home phone number. *Stan Help* Poor Stan, this guy sounds bummed. He asked what he could do to help the situation. I was thinking of making a joke saying something like, "You can help me by taking up a collection so I could afford a PC" except that I realized that this group would probably take me seriously and send me a check! The wife has suggested and approved the budget for the home PC and Internet access. We must go shopping! *Greg* This guy just kills me...... I'll tell ya, it's weird not seeing my mailbox filled with roadkill in the morning and not hearing that familiar BEEP of incoming email during the day. Immediately ALT + TABbing over to BeyondMail for my latest fix of Funkenonsense. That kid form TX kept me thinking, Whirlybird kept me laughing, Pacer kept me going, Hubby stimulated my intellect, Maijalaya made me jealous, Lisuk had my attention, Nico was my bootleg man, Tony sent me LIVE, Donna had my curiosity, Parrette humbled me, Funkola just blew me away, Nancy's making me cheesecake, Bugsy wanted my last name and Al's still not backstage. And I just plain love the rest of ya! Talk about addiction!!! I'd almost rather stop drinking beer than give up my roadkill membership (yeah Phil, I said almost). Thanks for all the support. As Phil always says, "Grand Funk Fans are the BEST!" and you guys prove it everyday...... ..to get back in once again, Mick ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Official Web page??? They'd get my vote! Phil - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= On Fri, 9 May 1997, Randy Stowe wrote: > Hey Folks! > Personally, I think the smart thing for David Fishof to do is to > recruit Bill, Donna, and Jeff (and maybe a few others from this list) to > colaborate on the official GFR site. Not only do they have vast > knowledge of the care and feeding of web pages, but they truly love the > subject matter involved, and I think they would do a superior job. > Besides, they all have prior experience! > I can't speak for Bill, Donna, or Jeff, but if they were willing to > take this on, should all of us list members start emailing Fishof's > office to suggest this, or do you think it David would consider it a > slap in the face? What are your opinions? > > Later, > > Randy > ------------------------------ From: Nancy Barravecchio Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:22:41 -0400 Subject: [none] Hey Everybody...Nancy here I am sending out a Help Wanted....Mick and Al (not) and my hubby Bobby are looking to Jam together out here on Long Island....If there are any roadkill members that can play bass located in the area they are looking for you.......let me or Mick or Al know and even if you don't play bass and want to join in the fun drop a line and hopefully soon we can get a Jamm session going....In Love and Light Nancy In Love and Light, Nancy B. ------------------------------ From: Pamuska@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: question Hi gang, I was going through my old records and find that I have almost every record that the guys have made. My problem is that I don't have a record player anymore and most is in bad shape..Dang if I weren't hard on the vinyl back then!! :( I did find that I have Marks 2 solo albums,Mark Farner and Airborne Ranger!! I also found 2 interesting things. One is a vinyl replicate of the Phoenix album made into a freesbie and its autographed by Mel!! The second one is a specialty album called Monumental Funk. One side is red with a sculpture of Donnie Brewer and the other side is Blue and has a bust of Mark Farner on it..Does anybody know anything about this album? I don't know where I got it or when. Thanks everyone Mickey ------------------------------ From: "Michael Dolfi" Date: Fri, 9 May 97 20:28:01 UT Subject: RE: Shinin' On OK, so the albul was over-produced, just think of the year,1974, rock and roll was over-produced, all the rock stars were way to into the wrong things, namely not music, and with the great success Mr. Rundgren had with American Band, well, they probably sat back and said lets see what we can come up with. Having recorded alot myself, I know the tedious hours and numb ears you can get, and experimentation is what gets you off, so to speak. And "Carry Me Through", is a great song, great album! Any one else like this album? - ---------- From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com on behalf of frankbauer@thevine.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 1997 7:14 PM To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Subject: Shinin' On >I just bought the Shinin' On CD (label from CEMA Special Markets, a >subsidiary of Capitol-EMI). It was in the bargain rack at $7.99 - so I just >had to get it. >I listened to the "first side" on the way home, and have these thoughts: >I wholeheartedly agree with some of the past letters posted here that Todd >Rundgren overproduced the Boys. I never realized it, but someone had said >that Mel's bass was non-existent, and they were absolutely correct. On "To >Get Back In," you wouldn't even know there was any bass on it. This is a >great song that would have been far better with a heavier bass line. keep in mind that the CEMA stuff is crapola (perhaps the bargain price is a clue) and i expect the Capitol reissues to be a significant improvement. if you want to hear what it's supposed to sound like, take your vinyl to a high end stereo shop or a buddy who has some decent equipment. overproduced compared to the first few albums? maybe. that's a matter of taste, not quality. nonexistent bass, mish mash keyboards, no liner notes? doesn't sound like quality to me. don't blame todd, he's no slouch behind the board! to: IN:Gasnoilguy@aol.com cc: IN:grand-funk@roadkill.com ------------------------------ From: Donna Wightman Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:49:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? Hi Bill, When I talked with Fishof's office last week, Meredith said something about them paying some firm $1000 to put up an official site. She said it would mainly be concert dates, news, etc. I did web design professionally, and so I know how much $1000 will get you...not much (and that price probably doesn't include updates.) I think they (the Management) realize that you and I do more for them for free on our sites, so that is why they are encouraging us to keep our sites going. It will actually be a big relief for me, (as I'm sure you agree) for them to keep the current news updated, and all we have to do is link over to it. This will give us more time to work on other parts on our sites. like history, biographies, etc. Donna P.S. Just typed in www.grandfunk.com to see what came up. Black background, white text with: "Under Construction, The Grand Funk Ralroad website will be online soon... " They misspelled "Railroad", I didn't : ) ------------------------------ From: "Michael Dolfi" Date: Sat, 10 May 97 02:27:28 UT Subject: RE: Oficial Web page??? Well, it looks like we have a grand site popping up, maybe Mel was in a bit of a hurry due to the fact his bass was out in the rain. - ---------- From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com on behalf of Mike Butler Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 2:06 PM To: Phil Catalano Cc: grand-funk@roadkill.com Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? Go to http://www.grandfunk.com - they have 'Railroad' spelled wrong!! I hope the people that are putting up this web site have half the ability as Bill, Donna and Jeff! I'm strating to wonder. - -=Mike=- ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Capitol CD re-releases Hi Sunny, You might remember me as the fellow who always writes a "book" in e-mail. I promise (;-) ) to keep it short this time. On your station's Web site you had asked all of us Funk-aholics which of the original Grand Funk vinyl albums that had not yet been re- leased on CD we would like to see released and in what order. Well, as one of the original Grand Funk Web page authors on the 'Net, I thought I would take a moment and give you my input. However, my input is colored by over a year's worth of e-mail communication from GFR fans from around the world. I have an- swered e-mail messages from hundreds of fans that have asked me (as if *I* had something to do with it :-) ) when such-and-such an album is going to be released or where can I find this-and- that CD. So, without too much further ado (ooops! I think I lied in the first paragraph -- I feel another "book" coming on!!), here is my input: The first album that should be rereleased is Grand Funk (the "red album"). Without a doubt this is the one album that I have received the most questions on and seems to be cherished by the widest variety of fans. This album typifies what made Grand Funk into Grand Funk and contains some of the more classic tracks that defined the original sound of the band. Second on the list should be Live Album. This is the second most popular album in terms of e-mail requests that I have re- ceived. This album captures the classic Grand Funk live perfor- mance from the early days and is constantly identified as a fa- vorite among fans. This next one goes against your original request in that this album is already out on CD. But the third CD that should be re- leased is a remastering of Caught In The Act. I think I can speak for everybody that I've chatted with about it when I say that Capitol butchered this release with the editing that they did. It doesn't matter that it doesn't fit on a single CD -- es- pecially now with the reunion switched onto the "full-tilt boo- gie" track. Make it a double CD release with the original intro- duction, with T.N.U.C. in tact, and any other edits put back in. The fourth CD I would suggest also goes against your original request. But the one *complaint* that I have received most often in e-mail is that the CD of Closer To Home sounds flat and washed out when compared to the original vinyl version or even some of the tracks that have appeared on other compilations such as the Capitol Collector's Series disc. Personally, I am not an audio- phile and I don't hear it, but it is something that others have mentioned to me well over a dozen times. Next, perhaps, should be Survival. If for no other reason that rumor has it that it has been "pressed" and the discs are sitting in a warehouse somewhere collecting dust. Besides, when I transcribed the lyrics for this one I gained a new appreciation of the music contained within these tracks. It's different but great! Then, perhaps, should come Born To Die. This album is a tran- sition album that shows a new and different side to "our boys." Most true Grand Funk fanatics will tell you that this one con- tained some really excellent tracks and provided a vision of what was to come in later albums. Besides, if this one is released early enough, it might provoke MCA and Warner Brothers to get off of the can and release Good Singin', Good Playin', Grand Funk Lives, and What's Funk? which are very important too. What follows is probably just my personal preference based on which albums contained songs that I liked. On Time should be next. Why? Just because! It's a classic!! Phoenix should probably follow. It is another transition al- bum that showed a new and different side to the best band in the land. Besides, Flight of the Phoenix and Rock 'n Roll Soul are two kick-butt, party songs. Shinin' On would follow next. But, when they do -- please, please, please, please include Destitute and Loosin' so we don't have to go searching for our 45's! All The Girls In The World Beware!!! would follow next for no particular reason. And, finally, Mark, Don & Mel could be last simply because it contains tracks that would then already be available from previ- ous CD releases. But, don't get me wrong, even though I list this one last it must be released like all the others. I think I can speak confidently for the entire Grand Funk mailing list and many of the other fans who have e-mailed me personally, we want *ALL* of the original albums to eventually be released on CD ... all of them! Well, Sunny, there you have it. A little bit of opinion mixed with a lot of input from Grand Funk fans from around the world. So, pass it on to Mark, Don, Mel, David Fishof, Sujata Murthy -- whoever needs to know -- that the fans are eagerly awaiting more of the best Funkin' music to ever rock the world to finally be rereleased on CD. Thanks for listening, take care, and, as always, grok in full- ness ... Bill-- ...who would give his right arm to be ambidextrous. +--------------------------+--------------------------+- //\ -(42?)- /\\ + |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | || * \ . . / * ||| |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| \\____\X/____// | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | / * /O\ * \ | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+-- \__/ " \__/ -+ P.S. based on some rumor and other input, some of us have searched out and found the beginnings of the official Grand Funk Web site. Please notify the "powers that be" that they mis- spelled Railroad. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Dolfi" Date: Sat, 10 May 97 02:36:17 UT Subject: RE: CD info and minor soapbox I have been able to buy all the albums, exept all the girls, born to die, good singin', on cd, and also imports, mostly from japan, of compilations of various songs, you might look in your local Tower records, or go on-line to tower in japan, anyway, the american releases should have some extra songs on them hopefully, i'm sure gfr didn't release all of their songs, like destitute and loosin', god luck my fellow funk-a-maniacs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ---------- From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com on behalf of Stan Pace Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 1:59 PM To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Subject: CD info and minor soapbox Gang, OK. I give up. This place is too quiet to suit me. New CD info. I was in Blockbuster Music last night in a Newport News mall. Obviously, I was checking the racks for the obvious CDs. Found the usual, one copy of WAAB and several of the compilation CDs. No excitement there. However, I did ask the clerk about GFRR releases and found the following info. The following CDs are all listed with "To Be Announced" release dates: Live Album, On Time, Phoenix, Survival, All The Girls In The World..., and Grand Funk. They had no specific info on dates, etc., but they did indicate that the TBA tag means that something should be happening soon. They show many of the other CDs as being available now, but that's no surprise. Now for the soapbox. . . The salesman indicated that the store had had an increased number of customers asking about GFRR recently. What this tells me is the GMA and Tonight show appearances are paying off. However, this is where my problem comes up. The marketing activities and the benefit shows have started the train rolling out of the station and down the track. Why isn't the complete catalog in the stores now????? My one Marketing course in college does not qualify me ask as Marketing wizard, but my 17 year former career as a banker did teach me a few things about finding and holding customers. Somebody has missed the boat. Everyone of those persons walking into music stores across this country (and outside this country) should have been able to buy what they wanted when they got there. Some of them will never come back. Some of us have been on insane and, frequently, not successful missions to buy CDs that could not be found. If the CDs had been there, several good things would have happened. The missions could have been avoided, sales might not have been missed, and the resurgence of the GFRR movement might have happened faster if motivated people had been satisfied during those somewhat infrequent and short-duration periods of motivation. My suspicion and forecast has always been that the CDs will not be available until the US tour is cranked up (July). I understand that. I just wish a different approach had been taken. But, we have no clue about the hassles that might be delaying these CDs. Patience is a virtue, so they say. I'm done venting. Missing Mick in Virginia, Stan P.S. The salesman now has my name and telephone number. If any other Funkheads drift in looking for info, they'll be told to call me. Stan Pace U.S. Atlantic Command Joint Training, Analysis and Simulation Center ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Del Mar, CA Hi all, My thanks to Donna for getting the FAX from Fishof and typing it in and posting it to the list. I had called Suzanne at Fishof's office and asked her to e-mail the list to me and never received a response. I have taken the dates and posted them to my Web site so, again, Donna, thanks! With respect to the Del Mar, CA show, could someone post the date and location information again? I accidently deleted it be- fore I copied it down. Thanks Take care and always grok in fullness ... Bill-- ...who heard that love makes time pass but time makes love pass. (42) __, \ -==<' `\ +--------------------------+--------------------------+- \ --- ) / ------+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | / (_, | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| | ,-,`\ | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | \\ \ \ | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+------- `\, \ \ --+ ||\ \`|, _|| `=`-' ------------------------------ From: Donna Wightman Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:32:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Monticello Concert I don't know if it's incorrect, don't have time to investigate right now, but I rechecked the list they gave me, and it does say ID. Donna ------------------------------ From: "Michael Dolfi" Date: Sat, 10 May 97 02:47:02 UT Subject: RE: Shinin On In regards to Terry Knight, his producing prowess was that of trying out new sounds, new technics, and a bit of a good buzz probably did not hurt. If you start with On Time, a crude sounding album, but with the right scratch to lure you in, a raunchy sound, but then they followed it up with Grand Funk, (the RED album), a crisp, tight album with little over-dubs. To me, a great sounding record. NEXT DEBATE- cLOSER TO hOME, sURVIVAL - ---------- From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com on behalf of jmaijala@sprynet.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 2:57 AM To: Roverpick@aol.com; grand-funk@roadkill.com Subject: re: Shinin On Here's an interesting disscussion, Some people are saying that the later albums, ie: Shinin' On, were over-produced and that the early stuff is better. Well, not much has been said about the Terry Knight influence on the early albums. I have the feeling that Terry is not a very popular guy among the GFR faithful. However, it is quite possible that Mark and the boys would have ended up working an assembly line in Dearborn if not for Terry Knight. While they did indeed have great difficulties later on, it is an injustice to disregard his contribution. Alot of people like the Survival album. This was done on his watch. Their hardest rocking album, E Pluribus Funk, was the last album he produced. Yes, yes, he tried to over-control the guys, but is that worse than overproduce? Many of us lost interest in GFR after they "Sold Out To the Teeny Boppers". Well, Terry cultivated the underground image that was a big part of the GFR mistique. Anybody want to comment on this, How about a debate? Listening to Closer to Home right now, Jim Maijala ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 23:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Oficial Web page??? Hi all, On Fri, 9 May 1997, Donna Wightman wrote: > When I talked with Fishof's office last week, Meredith said something > about them paying some firm $1000 to put up an official site ... Well at least they're talking to *you*! ;-) Whenever I call, it's like pulling teeth to get information. > ... > I did web design professionally, and so I know how much $1000 will get > you...not much ... You're right! I wonder what their "hopes and dreams" are for this site on this tight budget? It does cause one to wonder. But, they have been very cautious in most other areas as well. Perhaps they're waiting to invest more money to see if more money will be coming in. > ... they (the Management) realize that you and I do more for them for > free on our sites, so that is why they are encouraging us to keep our > sites going ... Oh, you're getting encouragement?!? Just kidding -- the lack of complaints about copyright violations with the photos, lyrics, and such are sort of a back-handed kind of encouragement to me. You're right -- I'm sure they realize the value of the fan-sites out here in cyber-space. > It will actually be a big relief for me, (as I'm sure you agree) for > them to keep the current news updated ... Yep! You're right!! There's several areas that I have wanted to expand not to mention the lyrics that I *need* to finish that I haven't been able to tackle recently. It will be very useful for them to handle all of the current-events. Anyway, thanks for the note, and thanks for the many kind words you've had for me over the past week or so. I'm still very busy searching for a new job but I do read everything that comes across the list. So, thank you Donna, thank you all ... the "roadkill" people are the best Funkin' people on the planet! Take care, keep Shinin' On, and always grok in fullness ... Bill-- ...who has heard death defined as "to stop sinning suddenly." __ _-==-=_,-. +--------------------------+------------------------- /--`' \_O-O.--< ---+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive `--'\ \ <___/. | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| \ \\ " / | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | >=\\_/`< 42?| +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+--- /= | \_/|----+ _/=== \___/ ------------------------------ From: Roverpick@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 23:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: re: Shinin On Are we forgetting about Little Johnny Hooker...one of the hottest tunes GFR put out in the post E-Pluribus years. This songs rocks with the best. Overall I give Shinin On an 8 out of 10...(it's that Locomotion thing again). ------------------------------ From: "Michael Dolfi" Date: Sat, 10 May 97 03:31:02 UT Subject: RE: Mark's Messenger guitar I ave got all cds by KINGS X, a great band in deed, We Are Findig who We Are rocks. - ---------- From: owner-grand-funk@roadkill.com on behalf of Rand Kelly Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 10:42 PM To: grand-funk@roadkill.com Subject: Re: Mark's Messenger guitar Hi Donna, Thankx for taking time out of your busy day to respond to me. It is perfectly fine by me to repost at a later date. I guess you and I are the only KING'S X fans around here, They have much in common with GFR. 3 piece band oozing talent and being ignored by the industry. It boggles the mind. Just a little update for you. They are also in the process of finding a label that will back their vision; not just what sells. A final cd on atlantic is going to be a best of( the band has decided to pick the tunes voted by the fans on the internet, now is that cool, or what?) With 3 new songs and a 10min. live track(over my head) from Woodstock 94+ remastered versions of said tunes. And Ty Tabor is going to release a solo cd: Naomi's Solar Pumpkin any day. Now I don't want to burn the "Post Toastees" out with King's x but I would like to tell all of you when I saw them in Aug,96 For the 2nd encore they played a cover (they didn't run out of their own, not with 6 cd's out)version of GFR- I'M YOUR CAPTAIN! Everybody knew the words and you could tell they are MAJOR FANS OF GFR they put so much passion into this and the repetitive ending was like being at that Beatles/Hey Jude thing truly MAGICAL. God Bless you all. Rand Kelly ------------------------------ From: Bass6plyr@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Web page I wrote a letter to David Fishof asking him if he's the one behind making the new GFR website, and he replied "Yes... grandfunk.com soon." COOL!!!! Paul Bass6plyr@aol.com ------------------------------ From: James Lichtenberg Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:13:07 -0700 Subject: Terry Knight jmaijala@sprynet.com wrote: Well, not much has been said about the Terry Knight influence on the early albums. However, it is quite possible that Mark and the boys would have ended up working an assembly line in Dearborn if not for Terry Knight. To all you Terry Knight fans, I spoke to one of Farner's roadies after his last Roxy show in Huntington, N.Y. and he told me that Mark was broke and lives modestly after selling all his assets because of the screwing Terry Knight gave GFRR. This guy told me that the I.R.S. had come after Farner big time for income taxes owed on the money that Knight stole. I have also heard that when GFRR and Knight settled their lawsuit that Knight got all of the future royalties from every album up to E Pluribus Funk. One of my DJ friends interviewed Farner on 9/28/85 before a show in Rome, N.Y. and Farner told my buddy that "Greed Of Man" from GF Lives was written about Terry Knight. Here are some of the lyrics from that tune: Well I don't understand. There's no rhyme or reason. I know that freedom, man has no season. He never stops to think about the other. He don't look back to see the damage he's done. And if you don't agree, then you don't realize he's got you hypnotized. You must be mesmerized. He's cut you down to size. I realize that all of this is hearsay. Maybe Sunny can shed some light on the veracity of what I've heard. I still think that GFRR would have made a splash without Knight. The anecdotal evidence points to Knight as being a bad man and if you're bad, you'll die when you die. Later, guys. Regards, Jim ------------------------------ From: Brad Durham Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:55:22 -0500 Subject: GFR-U2 Have I missed this on this list...GFR opening for U2 in Sarajevo on September 19? A U2 web site has this listed under "Rumors and News." According to what I've read, Reuters reported that Grand Funk was one of a handful of opening acts for U2. Brad ------------------------------ From: QuoteNotes@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Top 200 Albums of All Time You can vote for GFR at this site: http://www.club.innet.be/~erikdl/ Currently, NO Grand Funk albums are listed! Let's correct this travesty! If the Carpenters can make the list..... ------------------------------ From: "NH Borger" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:18:04 +0200 Subject: Re: Top 200 Albums of All Time QuoteNotes@aol.com, you wrote: >You can vote for GFR at this site: >http://www.club.innet.be/~erikdl/ >Currently, NO Grand Funk albums are listed! Let's correct this travesty! >If the Carpenters can make the list..... Yes, I just have sent my votes to erikdl@innet.be They are: 1. Grand Funk Railroad; E Pluribus Funk; 1971 2. Grand Funk Railroad; Phoenix; 1972 3. Grand Funk Railroad; We're an American Band; 1973 4. Grand Funk Railroad; Grand Funk (Red Album); 1970 5. Grand Funk Railroad; Live Album; 1971 6. Grand Funk Railroad; Closer To Home; 1970 7. Grand Funk Railroad; On Time; 1969 8. Grand Funk Railroad; Survival; 1971 9. Grand Funk Railroad; Shinin'On; 1974 10. Grand Funk Railroad; All the girls in the world beware; 1975 Come on everybody let's get Grand Funk Railroad in that top 200......... If all of us Roadkill members will participate in this, it would probably help if we all choose one and the same album as #1 to get the 12 points. this must steam-smoke GFR into this top 200....... Nico. ------------------------------ From: Pamuska@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: just a thought Hi gang, just got through watching the boys on Leno again for about the 10th time and a thought came to me.. With GFR selling over 20 million records and selling out Shea faster than the Beatles,then why are they not in the Rock Hall of Fame? I think there needs to be some kind of grass roots movement to get them in? What do the rest of you guys think..I just think it stinks that the Byrds(who was great) are in but not GFR! Mickey ------------------------------ From: steelhorse Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:08:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Official Web page??? Randy Stowe wrote: > > Hey Folks! > Personally, I think the smart thing for David Fishof to do is to > recruit Bill, Donna, and Jeff (and maybe a few others from this list) to > colaborate on the official GFR site. Not only do they have vast > knowledge of the care and feeding of web pages, but they truly love the > subject matter involved, and I think they would do a superior job. > Besides, they all have prior experience! > I can't speak for Bill, Donna, or Jeff, but if they were willing to > take this on, should all of us list members start emailing Fishof's > office to suggest this, or do you think it David would consider it a > slap in the face? What are your opinions? > > Later, > > Randy My loyalty is to Bill, Donna, and Jeff, the pioneers regarding same. I don't see how Fishof could get upset with the online crew here on roadkill voicing our opinions. Geez, that's our nature! ------------------------------ From: steelhorse Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:18:17 -0700 Subject: Re: Terry Knight James Lichtenberg wrote: > > jmaijala@sprynet.com wrote: > Well, not much has been said about the Terry Knight influence on the > early albums. However, it is quite possible that Mark and the boys would > have ended up working an assembly line in Dearborn if not for Terry > Knight. > > To all you Terry Knight fans, > I spoke to one of Farner's roadies after his last Roxy show in > Huntington, N.Y. and he told me that Mark was broke and lives modestly > after selling all his assets because of the screwing Terry Knight gave > GFRR. This guy told me that the I.R.S. had come after Farner big time > for income taxes owed on the money that Knight stole. I have also heard > that when GFRR and Knight settled their lawsuit that Knight got all of > the future royalties from every album up to E Pluribus Funk. One of my > DJ friends interviewed Farner on 9/28/85 before a show in Rome, N.Y. and > Farner told my buddy that "Greed Of Man" from GF Lives was written about > Terry Knight. Here are some of the lyrics from that tune: > > Well I don't understand. There's no rhyme or reason. > I know that freedom, man has no season. > > He never stops to think about the other. > He don't look back to see the damage he's done. > And if you don't agree, then you don't realize > he's got you hypnotized. > You must be mesmerized. > He's cut you down to size. > > I realize that all of this is hearsay. Maybe Sunny can shed some light > on the veracity of what I've heard. I still think that GFRR would have > made a splash without Knight. The anecdotal evidence points to Knight as > being a bad man and if you're bad, you'll die when you die. Later, guys. > > Regards, > Jim The I R S came after Mark? I am all too familiar with that feeling. Let me summarize...."kill me, I'm in hell" (right, Mick?) ------------------------------ From: steelhorse Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:23:36 -0700 Subject: Re: Top 200 Albums of All Time QuoteNotes@aol.com wrote: > > You can vote for GFR at this site: > > http://www.club.innet.be/~erikdl/ > > Currently, NO Grand Funk albums are listed! Let's correct this travesty! If > the Carpenters can make the list..... I did my duty, as usual. The site is pretty straightforward. I'm waiting to hear something about listing GFR for all 10. ------------------------------ From: Rzberf@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 07:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: just a thought I was just thinking that myself ! Walkin around in work I asked my friend ( a fellow funker ) is GFR in the Hall of Fame yet ? He said ask the list , but someone already did. So wwhat is the answer ? ------------------------------ From: Gasnoilguy@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Shinin' On Michael, Don't get me wrong - I love Shinin' On. It was the very first album I ever bought. "Little Johnny Hooker" & "Mr. Pretty Boy" are two excellent songs, along with the title song. I was just saying that I never realized that it was overproduced until someone on this list pointed it out, and I agree. I just recently bought a new car and it has a Bose CD player that kicks butt. So, I have been listening to my GFR CD's (Heavy Hitters & More of the Rest), and songs like "Paranoid", "Mr. Limousine Driver", "Upsetter", and some of the the Quartet Stuff have amazing bass lines. When I played this disc, however, I really noticed the bass was lacking on "To Get Back In." Someone else (I forget who) suggested that the disc was crap, but I stand by my original assertion that the sound quality is good. I think we have all found bargain CD's, records and tapes that are of good quality. And I also will stick with my statement that "Carry Me Through" is a most unFunk-like song. Can't like them all, can we? (Just an aside, but I'd be willing to bet that "Sally" would be the least favorite Funk song, if we took a vote of all Road-Killers.) I'll get off my soapbox now. Take Care. Gas & Oil Guy ------------------------------ From: ddevers@viagrafix.com (Doug Devers) Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: The Pack albums All this talk about "The Pack" got up my curiosity up, so I went and dug it out. > Anybody out there has "The Pack" albums with Mark Farner on vocals? > How many The Pack albums / singles are there with Mark Farner / > Don Brewer on vocals other than "Track On", "Monumental Funk" and > "Mark, Don and Terry" ? Nico, their first album is self-titled, and lists Mark, Terry, Don plus Curt Johnson and Bob Caldwell as vocalists on the album. It's on Lucky Eleven records, catalog LE-8000. Do you have this one? Anyone else want a copy and got something to trade? - - Doug "So what if you can't fool all the people all the time; most of them aren't paying attention in the first place." ddevers@viagrafix.com - ---------- > From: NH Borger > To: Grand Funk Group GFR mailing list > Subject: The Pack albums > Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 2:53 PM > > I can trade GFR bootlegs for them. > > Nico. > ------------------------------ From: jmaijala@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:31:16 -0700 Subject: Re: ...no subject... (fwd) Did someone mention "Cheesecake"? I love cheesecake. Mike, I'm green with envy, you actually got to meet the guys!! I personally am looking forward to your triumphant (I love that word) return to the roadkill network. Later, Jim Maijala ------------------------------ From: Tom Roberts Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:09:45 -0400 Subject: Terry Knight I am not particularly a big fan of Terry Knight, but you have to admit: GFR's sound changed dramatically without his production. I think we would all pay twice the price if their new CD were to sound anything like their pre-Phoenix days. After all, which songs are their biggest attention grabbers during the concerts? Imagine a three song mini-concert. Would you rather hear 'Are You Ready?", 'Paranoid', and 'TNUC', or maybe 'The Loco-Motion', 'Some Kind Of Wonderful', and 'Bad Time'? I think if we had our choice, we would want to hear mostly the songs Terry produced. I wish Mark and Terry would turn their other cheeks, and get together for just one studio session. Mark, Don, & Mel have always had the ability to create and play that great sound that makes them GFR, but it was Terry Knight that knew how to refine it. Tom Roberts P.S. Just a word of advice: If you do get to meet Mark, DO NOT mention Terry's name. You might get a cold shoulder from that point on. That's what happened to me in Mark's bus after one of his shows about ten years ago. ------------------------------ From: John Des Portes Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:35:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: RE: King's X/GFR At 03:31 AM 5/10/97 UT, you wrote: >I ave got all cds by KINGS X, a great band in deed, We Are Findig who We Are >rocks. I guess you and I >are the only KING'S X fans around here, They have much in common with >GFR. 3 piece band oozing talent and being ignored by the industry. It >boggles the mind. Just a little update for you. They are also in the >process of finding a label that will back their vision; not just what >sells. A final cd on atlantic is going to be a best of( the band has >decided to pick the tunes voted by the fans on the internet, now is that >cool, or what?) With 3 new songs and a 10min. live track(over my head) >from Woodstock 94+ remastered versions of said tunes................. > when I saw them in Aug,96 For the 2nd encore they played >a cover (they didn't run out of their own, not with 6 cd's out)version >of GFR- I'M YOUR CAPTAIN! Everybody knew the words and you could tell >they are MAJOR FANS OF GFR they put so much passion into this and the >repetitive ending was like being at that Beatles/Hey Jude thing truly >MAGICAL. God Bless you all. Rand Kelly > > > Saw King's X in Sep. 96 at small club and they were amazing, plus they let my son and I sit on stage! Their version of "I'm Your Captain" does the song justice, Doug Pinnick is an incredible singer. I enjoyed the live show GFR did on "Mark and Brian" last week. Mark's singing was spot on and they sounded like old, only better due to the better musical equipment of today. (I've been playing guitar/singing/songwriting for over 30 years now so I do tend to notice the technical side as well.) Can't wait to see them live, missed them as a teenager due to living overseas for most of their early fame, the time period of their work that I prefer. John Des Portes ------------------------------ From: jmaijala@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:52:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Terry Knight I NEVER SAID I WAS A "FAN" OF TERRY KNIGHT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO START A DISSCUSSION ABOUT HIS INFLUENCE ON THE BAND. I personally do not know much aabout the whole situation. Maybe I'll be quiet for a while. JIm ------------------------------ End of grand-funk-digest V1 #58 *******************************