From: owner-grand-funk To: grand-funk-digest Subject: grand-funk V1 #7 Reply-To: Errors-To: owner-grand-funk Precedence: bulk grand-funk Saturday, 15 February 1997 Volume 01 : Number 007 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Thomas Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:58:50 -0800 Subject: Favorite song? Let's play "Favorite Song" from the GFR catalog... I think I like "No Lies" from "E Pluribis Funk" the best. Must admit there is only one song I never cared for...and that was "Black Licorice" on "American Band"...something about that one song always appalled me. Anyone know of a live version (bootleg or otherwise) of "No Lies"? How about any of the Japan tours live...anything available? Two more things: 1> How many people are connected to this list? 2> A major problem I see with GFR fans is...many of them simply are not connected to the Internet...when I search for old friends from "the good old days", all hardcore GFR fans...NONE are connected to the net...shame really. Could it be that by the age of 24 or so your "set in your ways"? Like a friend of mine always says "You've got to catch them when they are young". How true... - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- /~~\_/~\ ,,, | #=#==========# \_/~\_/ ``` ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:02:35 -0800 Subject: 1973 GFR Concert..... Hello Grand Funker's . I saw GFR in 1973 in Hampton, Va. It was the "E Pluribus Funk" tour! A friend and I were on the sixth row of a seated concert. The Funk opened with "Footstompin' Music" and I mean to tell you...they rocked the house down that night...an expierence I can remember vividly and fondly. Freddie King open the show and he was fantastic too...I ran out the next day and bought all the Freddie King I could find...still love his music to this day! Anyone else see the '73 tour...??? Here's the sad part of the story...the Funk came back to Hampton in 1975 and for some reason I can't remember...I didn't get a ticket in time...it was sold out. So...I went to the Coliseum and bought a basketball game ticket (again with the same friend i saw the '73 show with)...we went to the concert in the height of the hysteria to get in to the show...(I was sure I'd get in even with a bogus ticket)....MAN...my friend got in but I was snagged! I had to listen from the outside. I still feel sorry for myself when thinking about missing the '75 "Shinnin' On" show . Long Live GFR! - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- /~~\_/~\ ,,, | #=#==========# \_/~\_/ ``` ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:50:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [FWD} Farner's Guitar HCRRock@aol.com wrote: > Hey Bruce..Welcome to the Mailing list... > > The 73 tour you saw was in support of the PHOENIX album... > the one after E PLURIBUS FUNK....and your right about Freddie > King being a monster bluesman..... > > Glad I could help you on the original guitar/amp specs... Hey Chris... Thanks for the welcome and info on Farner's guitar...it's appreciated! I must have seen the '72 tour because I'm sure that "E Pluribus Funk" was the album that was out when I saw them...with Freddie King kicking off the show. Speaking of Terry Knight... I was unaware of all the rif's between him and GFR when it was happening, and I was wondering if Terry ever had anything to say publically about all the lawsuits etc. Did he just take his millions (I presume) and split or did GFR recover any money from Knight? Did Knight go on to produce anyone else....what's the "after the lawsuits" story of Terry Knight...anyone know?? Also would love to hear from those who were lucky enough to catch a date on the '96 reunion GFR tour...how'd they sound???? Thanks to all here... - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:47:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: A reply to Mick and other Funk drummers -- finally! Hi all, On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Michael Catalano wrote: > Hi Bill, my Funk friends call me Mick. Thanks for the welcome! I'd love > to talk "Brewer drums" with you... This could get a little wild, this could get a little intense, this could get a little boring for the guitarists, bassists, and keyboard players on the list ... let's do it!!! > ... > Can you read music? ... I can pick out a song on a piano by looking at sheet music but I realize that you are asking about drum music. Unfortunately, the answer is no. :-( > ... In the mean time I could explain the part > that you say you could never figure out ... There were two parts that I couldn't figure out. And, while listening to Brewer's "Live Album" solo 3,476 times in the last three days (;-) ) while trying to figure out how to explain this, I think I figured the first one out. The first one is very early in the solo. Right after Don fin- ishes the initial rolls around the complete set -- snare, mounted tom, and both floor toms -- gradually increasing in speed, he goes into a fast set of bass/cymbal accents. Then he goes into a floor-tom thing. Here is where I had my first problem. I *thought* that during the floor-tom thing he was keeping the beat with the bass drum. When, at the end of about four measures, he went into a little short floor-tom triplet thing, I couldn't figure out how he switched his foot from the straight beat to the triplet beat. In listening again I *now* believe that he is *not* keeping the beat with the bass -- he's just on the floor-toms. So, when he goes into the little short triplet, he doesn't have to switch beats at all. What do you think, Mick. Does that sound right to you? > ... I think I know where you are in > the solo. Brewer is doing triplets between his hands and kick (bass foot). > I'll write it out in a psuedo code for you ... > > (S RT K) (S RT K) (S RT K) (FT RT K) (FT RT K) (FT RT K) > > He starts this out really slow and progress to really fast ... Well, I *think* I know where you are here and I *think* you're a little ahead of my second problem area. After the alternating snare rim-shots and the bass strikes (with the head banging) that speed up, there is another part that *sounds* like it could be a triplet thing but I'm not sure. I think where you're at (above) is right after my problem area. I think you're in the triplet section that starts out with 2 sets of four single strikes on four separate drums then heads into the triplet you describe. In this triplet set he starts out at a medium speed, speeds up, slows *way* down, and speeds back up again before going into the snare thing near the end and end- ing the solo. My problem area is right before these triplets. Even though I don't read drum music, let me try to map out what I *hear* when I listen to this part. It sounds *almost* like a triplet but, at the same time, it doesn't sound at all like a triplet. To make matters worse, in this section Don switches between tom-accents and cymbal-accents a couple of times and then goes into a straight drum thing (no cymbals) before he gets into the triplet section I think you're describing above. So, this is kind of what I hear: Snare:x---x---x---x ... ----x---x---x ... Mounted-Tom:-x-x-x-x-x-x- ... -x-x-x-x-x-x- ... Floor-Tom-1:------------- repeat x------------ repeat Floor-Tom-2:------------- .4. ------------- .4. Bass:x-x-x-x-x-x-xmeasuresx-x-x-x-x-x-xmeasures Crash Cymbal:x------------ ... ------------- ... Time/Beat:+---+---+---+ ... +---+---+---+ ... To make matters worse, I think that I'm the Jimi Hendrix of triplets -- I do them backwards. If I remember seeing Don do them "correctly," he leads with his right hand on the snare and left hand on the toms. I on the other hand, lead with my *left* hand on the snare and right hand on the toms. And we're both right handed drummers. I know, I know ... but it's the way I learned to do it. > I just got an idea...if you want I could audio (or video) tape this on my > kit and send it to you. Let me know what you think ... Well, this could be pretty cool too. Maybe all of us drummers on the list should video tape our interpretations of the "Live Album" solo, mail them around to each other, and analyze and re- view each other's work. On the other hand, I don't want anybody laughing at *me* too hard! :-) I am 43 and getting a little too old and slow. :-) It might be cool to get an audio or video tape of your inter- pretation. I'm sorry that it took so long to reply to this one. One of my worst habits is to analyze and think about a reply to such an intense degree that I will spend many days thinking about it first. And then, when I finally get around to writing the reply, I usually end up writing a small novel. I guess that's what I get for being a computer nerd who teaches and writes about UNIX and stuff. ;-) Anyway, Mick, I'm looking forward to your reply and any other drummer's replies on this topic as well as all of the great mail on other Grand Funk topics. It's great to finally see the list picking up a little bit and folks starting to post. Take care, keep Shinin' On, and always grok in fullness ... Bill-- ...who has heard that "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." /^--^\ (42?) +--------------------------+--------------------------+-- \____/ /-----+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | / \ | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| | | | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** | \__/ /_/ | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+------\ \---------+ / / \/ ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:53:20 -0800 Subject: List growing...finally! William A. Parrette wrote: >It's great to finally see the list picking up a little bit and folks starting to post. Hey Bill! I've been trying to do my part in helping this list grow by searching the usenet for "Grand Funk Railroad" and sending a short one line e-mail to the posters there telling them how to get on this list.... Like I said in an earlier post...my friends from the GFR days are simply *not* connected to the internet. If we all try to enlist a few fans maybe we can get the list up to a "respectable" number of participants..... How many folks in here now? - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:42:40 -0800 Subject: Hmmm...what IS the Chrous on "I want Freedom"? Hey guy... Came back by your web pages because I wanted to know what the Chorus was on "I want Freedom" on the Survival LP...I see you can't tell what the girls are singing either . Sure wish I could figure that out... Anyone? - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:18:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Favorite song? Hi all, On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Bruce Thomas wrote: > Let's play "Favorite Song" from the GFR catalog... > > I think I like "No Lies" from "E Pluribis Funk" the best ... Hmmmmm ... No Lies is certainly a great song. But I think that I would have a really tough time picking out just one. For instance, musically I like Flight of the Phoenix off of the Phoenix LP, lyrically I like Lonliness a lot but it has some pretty cool music too. As a drummer, I love the live cut of T.N.U.C. off of the Live Album but I Come Tumblin' off of E Pluribus ... and Winter And My Soul off of the "red album" are both interesting drum songs as well Oh darn! Grand Funk is the Lays Potato Chip of the rock world -- I can't pick just one! :-( > ... Must admit > there is only one song I never cared for...and that was "Black Licorice" > on "American Band"...something about that one song always appalled me. Hmmmmm ... again. Musically, Black Licorice is a very inter- esting song. It must have been the lyrics that appalled you. Don't some of the other tunes like Mr. Limousine Driver and She Got To Move Me say or imply similar things? I'm not passing judgment or trying to argue, just asking a friendly question. > ... > Anyone know of a live version (bootleg or otherwise) of "No Lies"? ... I haven't heard of one. > ... > How about any of the Japan tours live...anything available? ... I would guess that, since GFR is still somewhat popular in Japan and has been for some time, that there might be some import stuff available. You might check with your local record store in the import bin or catalog. > ... > 1> How many people are connected to this list? ... As of Saturday, February 15 at 12:09 p.m. there are 24 of us. > ... > 2> A major problem I see with GFR fans is...many of them simply are not > connected to the Internet ... This may be the case. Considering how many people are sub- scribed to this list and how many folks have signed Jeff's peti- tion, you may be right. But then you go over to Jeff's and Don- na's log books and see all of the participation there and then I'm not sure. I have a list of some 120 e-mail addresses of folks who have, at one time or another, expressed an interest in Grand Funk. Un- til the band gets signed to a record company with a solid promo- tions department or David Fishof starts promoting a little more, it's sort of up to us fans to spread the word. Anyway, the favorite song thing will be fun for a while. Take care and always grok in fullness ... Bill-- ...who thinks the only thing wrong with history is that it repeats itself. |//// (42?) +--------------------------+--------------------------+-- |o_o| / --+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive |ooOO__\ _ /__OOoo-| |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012|---O---------O----| | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** || | -| .|. |- | | | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+|_| \--|--/ |_| + | | ------------------------------ From: "William A. Parrette" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: New pictures Hi all, Just like Jeff and Donna, I've been trying to update my Web site with new material as it becomes available. Kenny Stevens (who is still lurking on this list somewhere :-) ) sent me four new pictures which I have posted at various locations around my Web site. And Joe Gavlick has sent me one as well. Stop back by if you like, search 'em out and enjoy! I partic- ularly like the one showing Mark and Don on stage with the Fun- kettes. Take care and grok in fullness ... Bill-- ...who is a little sad today because he ran over his Dogma with his Karma. +--------------------------+--------------------------+------------- __ -+ |William A. (Bill) Parrette|7177 Heritage Drive | ___|[]| | |wap@one.net |Westchester, OH 45069-4012| \__|______| | | *** http://w3.one.net/~wap/ *** |(42!) /-(o_o_o_o) | +------------------- 513-779-0780 --------------------+------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Randy Stowe Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:43:07 -0600 Subject: RE: Favorite Funk Howdy Folks, My Favorite GFR tune? Hmmm ... it really depends on what kind of mood I'm in. Right now I'd have to say "Paranoid" just for the intensity of the guitar riffs. Could we hear from some more guitar freaks out there? Why should the drummers have all the fun? What are your favorite guitar solos? Inquiring minds want to know! Later, Randy ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:29:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Favorite song? William A. Parrette wrote: > > Hmmmmm ... again. Musically, Black Licorice is a very inter- > esting song. It must have been the lyrics that appalled you. > Don't some of the other tunes like Mr. Limousine Driver and She > Got To Move Me say or imply similar things? > > I'm not passing judgment or trying to argue, just asking a > friendly question. > Hello Bill! Well...it isn't Black Licorice's lyrics I didn't like it was the tune itself. I never could get into that one for some reason. I've tried listening to it many times and still can't seem to enjoy it. Sort of hard to explain but it somehow seems strained and not thought out as well as it could be as far as the structure of the song goes. > I have a list of some 120 e-mail addresses of folks who have, > at one time or another, expressed an interest in Grand Funk. Un- > til the band gets signed to a record company with a solid promo- > tions department or David Fishof starts promoting a little more, > it's sort of up to us fans to spread the word. I agree about us spreading the word... Imagine the throngs of fans that GFR had...may of these people are in their forties now. I know far too few of my peers (I'm forty something as well) don't have computers. When I mention how much fun it is to them...they just stare back with a blank look. Many of them actually think computers are a bad thing...something we were better off without . If they only knew what they were missing...shoot...I wish everuone was required to have an e-mail address . Snail mail is such a drag compared to e-mail! >Anyway, the favorite song thing will be fun for a while. I agree...and like you I like almost everything GFR did...wish they'd come back with a vengence . Take care... - -- -=[ Bruce ]=- ------------------------------ From: "NH Borger" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:33:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Randy Favorite Funk > My Favorite GFR tune? ...."Paranoid" just for the intensity of the guitar riffs..... > .....What are your favorite guitar solos? ..... My favourite guitar solo: "In Need". I really like Mark's guitar intro to "She got to move me" (Phoenix). I once build my own variation on this but never had the right inspiration to finished it. Black Licorice, I always enjoy listening the organ solo in this song. Nico. ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:11:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: gfr Hey Bugsy, That GFR show in '74 at Madison Square Garden was my first concert also! I was in total awe! We sat (never once sat down, really) on the floor also. First row, second section, NOT FRONT ROW in front of the stage. Remember when that chick who was pretty much wrapped in tinfoil jumped up on stage to molest Mark and the roadies just threw her off of the stage. I think that was during the locomotion??? I really can't remember. But, what an incredible show! Remember Mark said that NY was the "Best Fucking Audience in the world!!!" Phil Went to New York just the other day, the smog is bad but not as bad as LA... - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 Bugsy41157@aol.com wrote: > New to the list. Glad to know there are more Brothers & Sisters. First saw > GFR on " In Concert" on TV in 1973, I was a fan instantly. No frills, just > three guys out to rock you. Saw GFR at Madison Square Garden in 1974. Had > floor seats. Stood on the arms of the chair the whole show. My first, and > best concert. It took a week for me to recover my voice from all the > cheering. Last saw Mark in a small club in Seaside Heights, NJ in 1989. Stood > not five feet from him for every note. A great night. Well, hello to all that > dig what I dig, talk to you soon. > ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:37:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: question This is a bit of a technical question for Bill and information for the rest of us... Whenever I receive something from the mailing site (grand-funk@roadkill.com) and I reply... My email package (PINE) gives me the option to reply to all or just the sender. Well, I just reply to the sender figuring the sender is grand-funk@roadkill.com, not the original creator of the email, and when the mail goes to the grand-funk@roadkill.com address it should get posted to everyone on the list, right? Well, I don't seem to receive these mails after I post them. So one of two things is happening, either they're being filtered to the person that posts the message or the message is not going to grand-funk@roadkill.com, it's going to the original creator? When I select "reply to all" I do get the message. So, my basic question is this. Am I suppose to select "reply to all" or should I just reply to sender and assume it gets to all on the mailing list? For example, in the past couple of hours I probably responded to about 5 messages by replying only to sender and then I responded to 1 by replying to all. I got the last one sent back to me but none of the others showed up. Thanks, Clueless in Co Springs, Phil - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= ------------------------------ From: Bruce Thomas Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:31:29 -0800 Subject: Re: 1973 Concert.. Phil Catalano wrote: > > Bruce... > > Don't take this wrong but something doesn't jive with your 1973 time frame and > the "E Pluribus Funk" tour. E Pluribus came out in '71, Phoenix in '72 and > American Band in '73. I believe Freddie King opened for them on the Phoenix > tour becuase that's what Donnie sings about in American band, although he > certainly could've opened for them on other tours too, I don't know. I saw them > in '74 and '75 for Shinin' On and All The Girls. Two UNBELIEVABLE shows! One > thing I bet on though, whatever tour you're talking about, I'm sure the show > was absolutely awesome! > > Keep the stories coming, I love 'em! Hello Phil! I'm willing to concede that I have my dates wrong . I noticed that E Pluribus has a 1971 copyright date. I'm solidly sure that E Pluribus Funk was the current release when I saw tham...so let's make it '71 the show that I saw and probably '74 when they returned and I missed out. I know they did not play American Band or Walk Like a Man when we saw them. I just spoke to my friend whom I went with the other day and he said it was '73 and he was quite confident about that. I asked him how we got there...were we driving or did our parents take us. He insisted we were in the 1oth grade ('73) and he drove...but it seems like my dad took us and picked us up and that would have bben the case if we saw them in '71 and we were still in Jr. High School. I do remember my Dad being mad with us when we went to Alice Cooper around the same time and didn't we didn't call him to come get us until around 2:30 am! So...we'll have to make it the '71 tour and I must have been 14 at the time. I do remember the show was seated that year but we stood on the seats all night and pretty much screamed in delight the whole show . Sometime later...like '74 I had front row seats for the Who! Man...they don't make concerts like they used to . Now...on another related subject, I just came from the oldies record store and some dude there was saying that Terry Knight was involved in the Mafia...!!! What's known about this...or was this dude full of it? He also said that Mark Farner came to a local venue (The Boathouse) around '92 and was boo'ed off the stage that the locals were ecpecting GFR and got "preached" to instead... I wasn't there and hadn't heard about this...so I don't know. Now...one more thing...what's this about Don singing about Freddie King in American Band? See you funky-folks! - --- -=[ Bruce ]=- /~~\_/~\ ,,, | #=#==========# \_/~\_/ ``` ------------------------------ From: Phil Catalano Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:50:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [FWD} Farner's Guitar - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= Phil Catalano phil.catalano@mci.com - --==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--= On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Bruce Thomas wrote: > > Speaking of Terry Knight... > > I was unaware of all the rif's between him and GFR when it was > happening, and I was wondering if Terry ever had anything to say > publically about all the lawsuits etc. > > Did he just take his millions (I presume) and split or did GFR recover > any money from Knight? Did Knight go on to produce anyone > else....what's the "after the lawsuits" story of Terry Knight...anyone > know?? > Terry Knight was public about the lawsuits. I've got some clips of some of the stuff that was said but I don't have any of the complete articles because they're all on the back of some pictures from like Circus Magazine or something like that. So whatever verbage happens to be on the back of the cropped picture is what I've got. It's real frustrating to only be able to read little snippets and not the whole article! I would also love to type in some of these things but I just don't have the time. If and when I do get some time I will do just that cause it's pretty interesting to see what everyone had to say back then, not only about the Knight thing but just everything in general. But if I remember correctly, I think Terry Knight pretty much cleaned up from all of the lawsuits. It'd be cool to get him in on some of these discussions. Phil ------------------------------ End of grand-funk V1 #7 ***********************